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FDXLAG 02-15-2010 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 764058)
You're talking about one guy out of thousands. We can't tell from this piece if his comments were taken out of context but until his thoughts are peer reviewed, it's just an opinion.

That is the point, turns out all the "peer reviewed" climate data has just been an opinion.

N2264J 02-15-2010 09:40 AM

Re: Climategate
 

Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 764081)
That is the point, turns out all the "peer reviewed" climate data has just been an opinion.

Is it your opinion that there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer? Despite the huge amounts of money that large corporations have spent to obfuscate and delay the acceptance of that science, hardly anyone still believe it. Maybe you're one of those.

I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.

FDXLAG 02-15-2010 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 764119)
Is it your opinion that there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer? Despite the huge amounts of money that large corporations have spent to obfuscate and delay the acceptance of that science, hardly anyone still believe it. Maybe you're one of those.

I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.

Wow a man (or woman) of science. What do you think of a fellow Man of Science that refuses to produce his raw data? Doesn't the scientific method involve being about to duplicate anothers results? Did you just jump in this thread at the end?

jungle 02-15-2010 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 764119)

I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.

Nor mine, but we are not dealing with scientific method here, unless of course you think jumbled data, poor models based on poor data, hidden results and foregone conclusions constitute scientific method.

By the way, I like your cigarette example-when they were found to be dangerous the government really embraced the business as a revenue maker for the tax coffers. They make(take) far more in that business than the tobacco companies. Ironic, isn't it?

Phantom Flyer 02-15-2010 03:56 PM

I Don't Think So
 

Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 719146)
So if I read between the lines Al Gore invented fraud?

No, sorry. Al Gore invented the internet. He did however make several million dollars off the global warming scam and I agree, should be a NC resident in Buckner, NC along with Bernie Madoff.

Just my two cents, devalued to $ .01009877 after the market closed.:)

jungle 02-15-2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 764119)
Despite the huge amounts of money that large corporations have spent to obfuscate and delay the acceptance of that science, hardly anyone still believe it.

I agree! Huge amounts of money!

"What no one is talking about is that he has also become a stunningly successful businessman--and that has fueled his comeback. Since his nonelection, Gore has become a millionaire many times over, bringing him, in financial terms, shoulder to shoulder with the C-suite denizens he used to hit up for campaign cash. In addition to the steady flow of six-figure speaking gigs, he has become an insider at two of the hottest companies on the planet: at Google, where he signed on as an adviser in 2001, pre-IPO (and received stock options now reportedly worth north of $30 million), and at Apple, where he joined the board in 2003 (and got stock options now valued at about $6 million). He enjoyed a big payday as vice chairman of an investment firm in L.A., and, more recently, started a cable-television company and an asset-management firm, both of which are becoming quiet forces in their fields.

Financial disclosure documents released before the 2000 election put the Gore family's net worth at $1 million to $2 million. After years of public service--and four kids needing high-priced educations--Al and Tipper used to fret occasionally about money. Not anymore. They have a new multimillion-dollar home in a tony section of Nashville and a family home in Virginia, and have recently bought a multimillion-dollar condo at the St. Regis condo/hotel in San Francisco. Available data indicate a net worth well in excess of $100 million."

Full disclosure here:Al Gore's $100 Million Makeover - Current TV - Generation Investment Management - An Inconvenient Truth | Fast Company

KC10 FATboy 02-15-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 764005)
As the atmosphere gets warmer, more moisture evaporates and is allowed to be suspended in the air. When the air cools, it condenses out as snow.

Since the United States represents around 2% of the Earth's surface, you shouldn't draw any conclusions because it happens to be cold in February. "Global warming," "climate change" and "global climate destablization" are all descriptive terms for the pendulum swinging further towards the extremes. The "warm" will get warmer and the "cools" cooler.

It's official now, although Fox viewers haven't heard, the last decade was the warmest on record.

2000s warmest decade on record, government reports - Yahoo! News

I'm afraid you haven't seen the latest bombshell tell all from a leading climate scientist who was pushing Global Warming ... who has since come clean.

FOXNews.com - Global Warming in Last 15 Years Insignificant, U.K.'s Top Climate Scientist Admits

I'm sorry young man, the science isn't settled. The earth has been cooling since 1995.

2StgTurbine 02-15-2010 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 764274)
I'm sorry young man, the science isn't settled. The earth has been cooling since 1995.

If the science isn't settled, then why do you state that the earth is in a cooling period? There is money to be made on both sides, so there is a lot of misleading information out there. A simple search on the internet can get some sources that show the earth is cooling and some sources that the earth is warming.

Lots of people here claim that the science isn't settled, and then proceed to explain how their opinion is right because they found a study/conspiracy/profiteer that proves their point of view is right.

In the end, the debate will not be settled until hundreds of peer reviewed and governmental studies come to a similar conclusion. That happened a few years ago, but the climategate catastrophe and the backlash from “An Inconvenient Truth” have caused many to review previously accepted studies with a more skeptical eye. Also, previous studies ignored by peer review journals are being looked at again because many feel they were ignored because they did not support climate change. Science is not immune of mistakes, but overtime, it has not failed. We are in one of those rare moments in history where the scientific community might change course that could dictate how humans will live for the next century, but it is too early to tell which way the scientific community will turn.

jungle 02-16-2010 10:47 AM

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken




If it was purely a matter of science, not much would be said and there would be little to worry about, but the whole thing has turned into a three ring circus with a very powerful stench of mendacity.

One of our most valuable tools is an accurate BS detector and it should always go to high warble whenever anyone promises deliverance if we will just hand over control of our money and our lives.

KC10 FATboy 02-16-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 764296)
If the science isn't settled, then why do you state that the earth is in a cooling period? There is money to be made on both sides, so there is a lot of misleading information out there. A simple search on the internet can get some sources that show the earth is cooling and some sources that the earth is warming.

Lots of people here claim that the science isn't settled, and then proceed to explain how their opinion is right because they found a study/conspiracy/profiteer that proves their point of view is right.

In the end, the debate will not be settled until hundreds of peer reviewed and governmental studies come to a similar conclusion. That happened a few years ago, but the climategate catastrophe and the backlash from “An Inconvenient Truth” have caused many to review previously accepted studies with a more skeptical eye. Also, previous studies ignored by peer review journals are being looked at again because many feel they were ignored because they did not support climate change. Science is not immune of mistakes, but overtime, it has not failed. We are in one of those rare moments in history where the scientific community might change course that could dictate how humans will live for the next century, but it is too early to tell which way the scientific community will turn.

Very good points. I said it because that's exactly what the global warming alarmist admitted in the article I posted. And it was his data supposedly that a lot of these warming theories were based on, but somehow, he's lost his data and can't produce it. :(


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