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Another brick in the wall, deniers of the world unite:

Himalayan glaciers not melting because of climate change, report finds - Telegraph

The Truth, Still Inconvenient
By PAUL KRUGMAN

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Just a few weeks ago Anthony Watts, who runs a prominent climate denialist Web site, praised the Berkeley project and piously declared himself “prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.” But never mind: once he knew that Professor Muller was going to present those preliminary results, Mr. Watts dismissed the hearing as “post normal science political theater.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/op...nes&emc=tha212

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Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 720143)

Look before the thread gets closed or I get violated for religion talk. This climate gate thing is just a great example that scientists are people, like politions because they made a mistake, or they have a different agenda. Don't believe them just because they are scientists. No matter what the subject.

Guess you were obviously wrong and not the scientists. Becoming kind of a theme with you.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...xlarge-169.jpg

Any time I hear someone start barking about denying global warming, I can reliably count on them to be a few bricks shy of a full load, hold a healthy share of internal redneck, and I think less of them. A lot less.

Yes, some winters are more intense, some summers more intense, and fire seasons get longer and more severe, but the larger picture, irrefutably backed by science, notes a continuing trend which is not cyclical, but due to human intervention and poor environmental stewardship. There is zero question of that, and to deny it, much like the ostrich with head below ground, is idiotic, ignorant, and short sighted. Very, very short sighted.

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Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2645769)

Yeah, I reserved judgement for a very long time, in part because I have many older relatives and family friends in science academia and they were very outspoken about the gross departures from established protocol on the part of many climate science types (weak science, biased documentation, outright data manipulation, rush to embrace political positions, etc).

They probably would have made more progress faster if they hadn't pushed the boundaries so hard and rushed to promote their ideas, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I've even been involved in DoD climate change mitigation planning. It's happening.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2645914)

They probably would have made more progress faster if they hadn't pushed the boundaries so hard and rushed to promote their ideas, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

BS. They were confronted with a well-financed (fossil fuel industry) opposition PR campaign that lied, obfuscated and misled the usual non-reality based audience. Same folks that claimed cigarettes didn't cause cancer.

The only good thing about resurrecting this 7 year old thread is that new readers will be exposed to the wit and wisdom of our late friend, Jungle. :D

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Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2645921)

Yes that was of course to be expected, whether the science was right or wrong. Doesn't justify resorting to the same tactics.

Too many scientists abandoned accepted principles, destroying their own and others credibility, setting back their own cause. Like I said I'm not getting this from anyone's PR, this is from friends and close relatives (I have many in academia, all hard science types).

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2645987)

whether the science was right or wrong.

The science is and was correct. Big Oil has spent lots of money trying to convince people that 2 + 2 = 5 just like Big Tobacco did. Al Gore was right.