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Old 08-09-2018 | 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Well, it would be helpful to know what would change your mind. What would you consider to be factual data or evidence that would "prove" it? Can you give an example? What is the burden of proof that you are seeking here? I have talked to climatologists one on one, met with many of them as they have traveled through this state, been to many of the places studied. I've seen much of their data, but I have to ask, what would it take for you? If you haven't "made up your mind" to the point where you don't consider evidence and science, just what evidence and science are you willing to listen to?
How about including raw data with your adjusted temperature numbers and the formula used to adjust them in the first place. Why not admit that 2012 federal policy changes to managing forests are much more likely to blame for the California wildfires then the .0001 temperature increase over the last year.

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Old 08-09-2018 | 11:36 AM
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The press covers science like they cover aviation, and that's after it processes through the liberal churn machine.

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How about including raw data with your adjusted temperature numbers and the formula used to adjust them in the first place. Why not admit that 2012 federal policy changes to managing forests are much more likely to blame for the California wildfires then the .0001 temperature increase over the last year.
If you are looking for a traditional experiment here with raw data, then you won't find it. In simplistic terms, how climate science works, is a model is built, and tested by running it backwards in time. The data and equations are then adjusted to make the model fit to historical observations. The data, and how it's adjusted doesn't really matter. The model is then labeled valid if it passes this hind-casting test. The problem is, of the thousands of models run, every single one, 100% of them, have failed in future when CO2 is the driver of climate change. However, we know for a fact that the Earth is warming at an accelerated rate, and man is the cause, by process of elimination, man has to be the cause.

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Old 08-09-2018 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The press covers science like they cover aviation, and that's after it processes through the liberal churn machine.

If you are looking for a traditional experiment here with raw data, then you won't find it. In simplistic terms, how climate science works, is a model is built, and tested by running it backwards in time. The data and equations are then adjusted to make the model fit to historical observations. The data, and how it's adjusted doesn't really matter. The model is then labeled valid if it passes this hind-casting test. The problem is, of the thousands of models run, every single one, 100% of them, have failed in future when CO2 is the driver of climate change. However, we know for a fact that the Earth is warming at an accelerated rate, and man is the cause, by process of elimination, man has to be the cause.
I am looking for actual temperature reading with an explanation as to why the recorded readings are manipulated up wards and why historical temperature readings are always adjusted cooler.
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Old 08-12-2018 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
I am looking for actual temperature reading with an explanation as to why the recorded readings are manipulated up wards and why historical temperature readings are always adjusted cooler.
Do you not believe in correcting total air temperature for the adiabatic temperature rise in flight to get static air temperature either?
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Old 08-12-2018 | 05:07 AM
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Do you not believe in correcting total air temperature for the adiabatic temperature rise in flight to get static air temperature either?
Yes there is a formula that is tested and verifiable by modeling as opposed to the warmest modifying (current and past) temperature to verify their modeling.
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Old 08-12-2018 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
Yes there is a formula that is tested and verifiable by modeling as opposed to the warmest modifying (current and past) temperature to verify their modeling.
The climate data and models have been tested, verified and confirmed also. The evidence is indisputable. The deniers simply don't understand the methodology or don't want to believe it. They are the current day's equivalent to the flat earthers.
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Old 08-12-2018 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
The climate data and models have been tested, verified and confirmed also. The evidence is indisputable. The deniers simply don't understand the methodology or don't want to believe it. They are the current day's equivalent to the flat earthers.
Which is why they don't release their models or raw data.
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Old 08-12-2018 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
Which is why they don't release their models or raw data.
Not sure if you are aware of this, but the raw data is available to the public from NOAA NCDC.
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Old 08-12-2018 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Fdxlag2
Which is why they don't release their models or raw data.
Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Not sure if you are aware of this, but the raw data is available to the public from NOAA NCDC.
Oops. Wonder what excuse we'll get next?
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Old 08-12-2018 | 11:06 AM
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Pilots claiming to know more about climate science than the vast majority of climate scientists. Unveiling the liberal plot to control the world economy.

Priceless.

Go get 'em Scoob.

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