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USMCFLYR 06-26-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1435122)
It's not ALPA or A4A's decision. It's the FAA's. Good luck on getting them to push UAV cargo/airliners through quickly. How old are our current rest rules? How long has NEXTGEN been pushed? The FAA moves at the pace of a sleeping snail.

Broad brush and shows somewhat of a lacking of understanding of the 'herding cats' process that goes on with dealing with the multiple agencies to get any ACTION taken on any one thing - plus standard gov't red tape.

Here is an example I provided to another user who had questions about MagVar. The below list is a sample of the agencies/organizations/parties involved JUST TO GET A MAGVAR CHANGE accomplished:eek:
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Management and control of Epoch Year MV values require action by the following offices:
(1) AeroNav Products.
(2) Military Organizations.
(3) National Flight Data Center (NFDC).
(4) Western, Central, and Eastern Technical Operations.
(5) Western, Central, and Eastern OSG-FPTs.
(6) Regional Airports Divisions.

jetlink 06-26-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Harley (Post 1435085)
I just don't see this happening in the next 20 to 30 years. In fact, the latest aviation human factors studies being done indicate that we may have taken the pilot too far out of the loop in regards to automation/avionics.

Read the recent Air France A330 accident report. Automation doesn't always help the pilot out. The shift at Delta is the emphasis for pilots to shut all the automation off, including the flight directors, and hand fly the aircraft during several phases of flight.

The DC9 is one of our safest aircraft and has relatively little automation. It has one of the lowest pilot error (alt deviation / navigation error) rates of all of Delta fleets.

I think future aircraft will become more automated, but the pilot will be more smartly integrated into the automation rather than just being a monitor of the computers.

Automation had nothing to do with AirFrance accident, it was contributed by pilots not proficient enough in aircraft systems, and luck of experience. Today we just have more inexperienced pilots pushed through training just to occupy right seat to satisfy regulations.
In 70s, 80s, and 90s, it was required to have a college degree and experience, today GED will do and 1500 hours. Furthermore, we had just hand full of flights globally in 1980 mainly flown by developed countries of western Europe and North America, today we have entire Asia, Russia and eastern Europeans, India, entire Africa, and South America. Today we have more flights globally per day then it was in 1980s per month. Pilots are less experienced operating more advanced jets flying higher, faster, and further then ever before. Majority of regional pilots will experience their first true adverse WX conditions while flying as an FO on RJs with passengers on board. Many Asian and European operators train their own pilots right after college and put them into advanced heavy jets as a RIO without previous experience, like it was in the case of A330 AirFrance accident, and latest brand new B737 overrun accident (remember B737 is 1967 technology with screen instead of gauges) In case of A330 AirFrance accident if pilots would have only leave the plane along, A/C systems (even in alternate law), were able to recover and fly, it was pilot input that ultimately caused loss of control and crash. Inappropriate interpretation of instruments and luck of knowledge about aircraft systems is the main cause of accident in the recent history. Statistically accident rate is the lowest in the history of aviation, but majority of accidents on 50s, 60s, 70s, and even 80s were contributed by design flaws, inappropriate maintenance practices, loss of separation, navigational errors CFIT, etc. Today many aircraft's design help pilot making decisions more efficiently, new warning systems were developed - E-GPWS, Windshear, low energy state, enhanced WX radar, EICAS, ECAM, central warning and caution systems with inhibitors for high speed and low altitude stages, not to district pilots by less critical to flight safety messages and lights. Technology has helped in safety; however, we need to focus on training and experience requirements more then ever before, since we are going to need more pilots to satisfy global demand for aviation transportation.


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