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USMCFLYR 02-21-2013 04:48 AM

Another UAV entrant
 
Italian Jet Company Converts Passenger Plane Into the World's Most Stylish UAV

I can't believe they turned the beautiful P.180 II into a UAV!
OH THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL! :eek::(

Ftrooppilot 02-21-2013 06:35 AM

Pretty soon they will recall all SR71 and A12 aircraft for conversion to supersonic executive passenger aircraft. Everyone - invest in "airborne tanker" aircraft production companies.

JohnBurke 02-28-2013 10:54 PM

Ultimate Avantair Union Buster?
 
Company solution...no pilots at all...

Piaggio Reveals Unmanned Avanti

MongoPawnInLife 03-02-2013 03:29 PM

Good thing these drones never crash. 3. Drone Crash Database « Drone Wars UK

rickair7777 03-02-2013 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 1362496)
Company solution...no pilots at all...

Piaggio Reveals Unmanned Avanti


It's a UAV based on a pax aircraft, not an unmanned pax aircraft.

MongoPawnInLife 03-03-2013 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1363791)
It's a UAV based on a pax aircraft, not an unmanned pax aircraft.

Just wait until that UAV hauling cargo crashes on final in MEM or SDF. A former squid is heading a military UAV cargo project. I saw here on a late night show; she expects airliners to eventually be UAVs. Pax River Could Benefit from Cargo UAV Boom : The Lexington Park Leader

JohnBurke 03-03-2013 10:01 AM

[QUOTE]It's a UAV based on a pax aircraft, not an unmanned pax aircraft.[/QUOTE

I know. I've got about a thousand hours in the manned version, and it's not much of a stretch to go to the next step of automating the pilot function.

A bigger question will be the noise issue; the Piaggio Avanti makes an unusuall, distinctive, annoying sound, and is not particularly stealthy. While a number of UAS out there sound more like flying chain saws than a hollywood-quiet winged wonder, the Piaggio has the huey-like quality of advertising it's existence to people in surrounding provinces, let alone in the area directly beneath the aircraft (even at idle). Idle vertical profiles, useful with certain other platforms, may not be nearly as effective here. There's a lot of noise ISR out there (I've flown some of it), but the Piaggio's chief virtues are it's large cabin, low passenger noise (much quieter in than out), and ability to go high (FL410) and fast for a turboprop. None of those are germane to the majority of ISR work.

rickair7777 03-03-2013 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by MongoPawnInLife (Post 1364180)
Just wait until that UAV hauling cargo crashes on final in MEM or SDF. A former squid is heading a military UAV cargo project. I saw here on a late night show; she expects airliners to eventually be UAVs. Pax River Could Benefit from Cargo UAV Boom : The Lexington Park Leader

She's well known in navy circles...seems to have a huge axe to grind, hates pilot culture and pilots. Just cuz she wants to put us all out of a job doesn't mean its economically practical right now.

MongoPawnInLife 03-03-2013 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1364356)
She's well known in navy circles...seems to have a huge axe to grind, hates pilot culture and pilots. Just cuz she wants to put us all out of a job doesn't mean its economically practical right now.

That's good to know that she's a known commodity.
She talked like UAVs are a bulletproof solution, ignoring WELL KNOWN vulnerabilities. And I'm not just talking about the high percentage of UAVs that crash.
Drone hijacked by hackers from Texas college with $1,000 spoofer | Naked Security

727gm 03-04-2013 04:37 AM

They can do all they want technology-wise, but should be used ONLY in war zones. Someone ONBOARD must be legally responsible.

tomgoodman 03-04-2013 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1364356)
She's well known in navy circles...seems to have a huge axe to grind, hates pilot culture and pilots.

Sometimes people know what they are getting into, get into it anyway, and then become surprised and angry when it will not change to suit them. :rolleyes:

Sata 4000 RP 03-13-2013 03:37 AM


In the ideal AACUS scenario, Dr. Cummings said a Marine “whips out some smartphone application, calls the helicopter.” The helicopter would take off autonomously, plot its own route, fly to the scene, select a landing zone and land itself, all with minimal intervention from an operator. The aircraft could then deliver cargo or remove a wounded Marine from the battlefield. “For the most part, it’s the aircraft talking to a novice user on the ground.”
I guess these things can tell which LZs have been swept for mines and IED's too eh? :rolleyes:

Sata 4000 RP 03-13-2013 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1364356)
She's well known in navy circles...seems to have a huge axe to grind, hates pilot culture and pilots. Just cuz she wants to put us all out of a job doesn't mean its economically practical right now.


She must not have been the hot pilot chick in the squadron that all the guys wanted to buy drinks and bed down with.

JohnnyG 03-20-2013 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by 727gm (Post 1364636)
They can do all they want technology-wise, but should be used ONLY in war zones. Someone ONBOARD must be legally responsible.

I think this is key. Ejection seats changed pilot decision making, but sometimes in the opposite way than you'd expect. When we moved to a safety culture the combat aviation community did a great job analyzing itself, but before this an early problem was getting pilots to stop trying to save the day and eject. Many pilots rode aircraft into the ground when they could've lived.

The problem with UAV pax operations will be decision making. When high value cargo or human beings are transported, a human being needs to not only have their butt on the line bouncing through storms and sweating through ice, but that person also needs to be liable for the decisions they make.

Wouldn't most of us have trouble making a no-go decision if we were hauling checks in a remotely operated navajo over a sparsely populated area?

UnderOveur 03-21-2013 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1364356)
She's well known in navy circles...seems to have a huge axe to grind, hates pilot culture and pilots.


Originally Posted by Sata 4000 RP (Post 1370835)
She must not have been the hot pilot chick in the squadron that all the guys wanted to buy drinks and bed down with.


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