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David Puddy 08-05-2019 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 (Post 2864943)
JetBlue pilots didn't unionize until 2014 I believe.

That’s my point. It takes time to scale the business and generate the cash flow to pay the pilots industry-competitive wages. You can’t expect union representation right off the bat (but hopefully eventually). I imagine, like JB, stock options will be used to attract initial pilots.

Qotsaautopilot 08-06-2019 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2865369)
That’s my point. It takes time to scale the business and generate the cash flow to pay the pilots industry-competitive wages. You can’t expect union representation right off the bat (but hopefully eventually). I imagine, like JB, stock options will be used to attract initial pilots.

Labor has a cost just like fuel. You dont get a discount on fuel as a new airline.

DeltaCorrectons 08-06-2019 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2865575)
Labor has a cost just like fuel. You dont get a discount on fuel as a new airline.

You do when Skywest pilots exists and already fly for a non union airline for not great wages. Throw in a new jet on top of it and let them wear their sunglasses inside and you have your ready made pilot group.

ULLI 08-06-2019 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 2865927)
You do when like Skywest pilots exists and already fly for a non union airline for not great wages. Throw in a new jet on top of it and let them wear their sunglasses inside and you have your ready made pilot group.

You didn't have to say skywest, everyone would have figured out who you are talking about just by the description ��.
A very special pilot group they are

CaptCoolHand 08-08-2019 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2865369)
That’s my point. It takes time to scale the business and generate the cash flow to pay the pilots industry-competitive wages. You can’t expect union representation right off the bat (but hopefully eventually). I imagine, like JB, stock options will be used to attract initial pilots.

That’s funny. SWA has a union pretty early. It was also embraced by management.

Excargodog 08-08-2019 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2865575)
Labor has a cost just like fuel. You dont get a discount on fuel as a new airline.

But you DO get a discount in labor. In a brand new airline even the most senior guy is still going to be on the first year of the payscale - whatever that is. On a legacy airline the MEDIAN guy is half way to retirement and probably is at year 12.

rickair7777 08-08-2019 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2865575)
Labor has a cost just like fuel. You dont get a discount on fuel as a new airline.

But history has shown that you do get a discount on labor. That's frankly a key enabler to airline startups, and it's pretty uncommon outside of aviation.

Qotsaautopilot 08-08-2019 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2866976)
But you DO get a discount in labor. In a brand new airline even the most senior guy is still going to be on the first year of the payscale - whatever that is. On a legacy airline the MEDIAN guy is half way to retirement and probably is at year 12.

All the more reason to have blockbuster pay and work rules instead of bargain basement bottom feeder...

...ooooo look shiny airplanes

David Puddy 08-09-2019 01:11 PM

I don’t know, but I would imagine, like was the case with JB and a lot of startups, stock options will be thrown out in the mix.... Who knows? It’s possible because you need to attract qualified and experienced pilots somehow...

Omniscient 08-09-2019 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by David Puddy (Post 2867717)
I don’t know, but I would imagine, like was the case with JB and a lot of startups, stock options will be thrown out in the mix.... Who knows? It’s possible because you need to attract qualified and experienced pilots somehow...

Do you really think that will be necessary? I think “qualified and experience” is a moving target based on the application stack; big shiny jet and whatever minimums their insurance requires, there will be plenty of applicants to get this startup going.


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