I just failed Part 121 ATP check ride again
#11
Ouch, sad to read this story.
We all had check ride "nerves".
I have never busted a sim ride after 7 different airlines but some have been closer than others. Found my own "solution" : Overstudy, read way deep and know every checklist, every call out, every profile by hearth, then do it again. This will give you plenty confidence so you won't get rattled when heat is on.
(My first jet was right seat DC-8-73 for Evergreen, tough course, tough airplane, old sh!tty simulators, no experience, mean check-airman..
Made it on the first try but it was the longest morning of my life. Learned to study harder after that gig )
We all had check ride "nerves".
I have never busted a sim ride after 7 different airlines but some have been closer than others. Found my own "solution" : Overstudy, read way deep and know every checklist, every call out, every profile by hearth, then do it again. This will give you plenty confidence so you won't get rattled when heat is on.
(My first jet was right seat DC-8-73 for Evergreen, tough course, tough airplane, old sh!tty simulators, no experience, mean check-airman..
Made it on the first try but it was the longest morning of my life. Learned to study harder after that gig )
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 117
Re: checkride
It may seem like the end of the world but it is not. There will be another opportunity. Keep your head up and forge on. The rejected take off is one thing on a check ride I always made obvious when giving a check because there was a lot of room for error. I have seen people fly a perfect checkride and almost fail because of a rejected takeoff. The advice about over preparing is good advice. The bigger issue is to talk to a counselor about test anxiety. It is real and is something not addressed in the aviation profession. I always try to make an applicant feel at ease when giving a check because I realize that it is a stress full event. One thing to remember when getting checked is that you know what events are required to be checked and keep that in mind. There is a danger of over anticipating and making things worse but it is all about test strategy which will help with the nerves. In any other profession there are retest with out any penalty that will follow you. Take a few days and try to relax. Get another flying job and eventually get in to the training department. When asked to explain in an interview tell them you learned to address the issue by helping train others.Good luck and remember your human and just because this happened to you does not make you any less of a good person.
#15
Another option would be to leave the 121 for now and go 135 and build a bit of a track record of successful rides.
Piston or turboprop.
There are many jobs out there.
Build up 'pro' ride experience then go back 121 in 2-3 years.
A buddy in a previous lifetime had test anxiety to such an extent that he never went further then his Private.
Despite the fact he wanted to be a pro pilot for years and years.
Ended up as a mechanical engineer.
If it's any consolation, I hate taking rides also.
But I've learned to live with them.
Piston or turboprop.
There are many jobs out there.
Build up 'pro' ride experience then go back 121 in 2-3 years.
A buddy in a previous lifetime had test anxiety to such an extent that he never went further then his Private.
Despite the fact he wanted to be a pro pilot for years and years.
Ended up as a mechanical engineer.
If it's any consolation, I hate taking rides also.
But I've learned to live with them.
#16
Another option would be to leave the 121 for now and go 135 and build a bit of a track record of successful rides.
Piston or turboprop.
There are many jobs out there.
Build up 'pro' ride experience then go back 121 in 2-3 years.
A buddy in a previous lifetime had test anxiety to such an extent that he never went further then his Private.
Despite the fact he wanted to be a pro pilot for years and years.
Ended up as a mechanical engineer.
If it's any consolation, I hate taking rides also.
But I've learned to live with them.
Piston or turboprop.
There are many jobs out there.
Build up 'pro' ride experience then go back 121 in 2-3 years.
A buddy in a previous lifetime had test anxiety to such an extent that he never went further then his Private.
Despite the fact he wanted to be a pro pilot for years and years.
Ended up as a mechanical engineer.
If it's any consolation, I hate taking rides also.
But I've learned to live with them.
10 years ago I was giving line-checks and IOE on the B-747 and saw it from the other side.
Sure I gave some slack if the candidate could fly and had the big picture despite a few boo-boos.
One time after a long night with little sleep we took off from Lima or some other place in SA, me in the jumpseat and the Captain being checked. We had to leave the gear down for brake cooling, 2-3 minuttes or so.
All 3 working crew members forgot the gear was down and started cleaning up and speeding up.
After another few minutes I mentioned the gear was still down.
No limits exceeded, no harm done.
No need to do rub it in or give them hell. All 3 remembered very well and for a long time what had happened.
Other guys, who could not fly a good airplane never got signed off.
I learned stuff after that job when I was on the receiving end of check rides for other companies:
Come well prepared, be polite and keep your mouth shut, excuses don't fly. And again, well prepared and know your stuff.
The ride will be easy then.
Sadly, some check-airmen take the job to lubricate their egos and use the position to "be the boss" and put people down.
There is less and less of that with strong CRM being practiced and demanded, but a few rotten apples still remain.
My last re-current with AA was less than pleasant for me, but probably great for the check-airman, he could pontificate and shine.
I held my tongue and passed the ride, but if his name comes up again, I will refuse and rather request a different guy.
Perfectly acceptable after you are done with the probation.
#18
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,002
Hint, hint.
All for naught. I'm thick as a brick.
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 451
During a sim eval as an applicant, the sim instructor asked about one of my type ratings. Nobody recognizes it, so not surprised. He asked what it was, size, speed, number of engines, and finally if it was retractable. The last one puzzled me. Big four engine airplane, of course it was retractable...why would he be asking something like...oh.
Hint, hint.
All for naught. I'm thick as a brick.
Hint, hint.
All for naught. I'm thick as a brick.
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