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Karnak 03-20-2017 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2324567)
Honestly, the education system in this country is braindead and a complete scam. Colleges are in the business of making money, not educating people to get good careers.

I learned more from traveling the world in my 20's than anything I could have gotten from sitting in a classroom.

"That's a good point, doctor, but I'd still prefer you have a medical degree before you operate on my son."

Xtreme87 03-20-2017 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2324651)
"That's a good point, doctor, but I'd still prefer you have a medical degree before you operate on my son."

Yes, because everybody that comes out of college with an undergrad degree becomes a doctor. There are a lot of successful people who skip college completely and go to trade schools instead.

Karnak 03-20-2017 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Xtreme87 (Post 2324667)
Yes, because everybody that comes out of college with an undergrad degree becomes a doctor.

I don't think so, but then I didn't post this:

"I learned more from traveling the world in my 20's than anything I could have gotten from sitting in a classroom."

I think you could've learned more sitting in a classroom, if nothing more than the risks of making sweeping generalizations that might not be relevant to the discussion.

Xtreme87 03-20-2017 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2324672)
I don't think so, but then I didn't post this:

"I learned more from traveling the world in my 20's than anything I could have gotten from sitting in a classroom."

I think you could've learned more sitting in a classroom, if nothing more than the risks of making sweeping generalizations that might not be relevant to the discussion.

Eh no, still think I got more from traveling. Not everyone learns the same. Open your mind up a little.

WHACKMASTER 03-20-2017 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 2324651)
"That's a good point, doctor, but I'd still prefer you have a medical degree before you operate on my son."

A medical degree directly relates to a doctor's job whereas the vast majority of four year degrees that airline pilots hold do not relate to our jobs. BIG difference.

Stupid requirement.....

canuckav 03-20-2017 07:18 AM

Sorry about starting a debate about the merits of a degree :p

I was simply curious who has been hired without one (and where). I think that topic has been beaten to death already. So let's assume I had a 4-year degree.

My second problem......

My lack of presence in the US work force, and education outside of the country, means I have little to no contacts inside the US airlines. We all know how important internal recommends are. I could ultimately take the time and money to obtain a full degree, but it's a lot harder to build contacts from my position.

Has anyone been successful at a major or LCC without any recommends at all?

Broncofan 03-20-2017 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 2324583)
What a rediculous thread... people with degrees championing the merits their accomplishments and those without degrees complaining that it just isn't fair. Well, the reality is that if you want the best jobs in this industry you need a degree. That was the reality when you all made the decision to continue you education or not. Can we stop beating the dead horse now?

To the OP, I'd shoot for a ULCC. Great pay and benefits, and it will enhance your resume much more effectively than going to a regional to get beat on day in and day out. If you do decide to go for more school it will be easier to manage with a better income and quality of life. In any case, good luck!

+1 best post in this thread

Broncofan 03-20-2017 07:52 AM

Just out of curiosity. You have 10,000 resumes on your table and only 100 jobs to fill. How else do you seperate the stack? People with a degree is an easy way, thats all it is, just a way to dwindle the stack. Most pilots have close to equal skills so thats the best option they have.

Xtreme87 03-20-2017 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 2324780)
Just out of curiosity. You have 10,000 resumes on your table and only 100 jobs to fill. How else do you seperate the stack? People with a degree is an easy way, thats all it is, just a way to dwindle the stack. Most pilots have close to equal skills so thats the best option they have.

True. Except when 10,000 applications turn into 2000, then 1000...and you have to hire 900.

rightside02 03-20-2017 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by canuckav (Post 2324750)
Sorry about starting a debate about the merits of a degree :p

I was simply curious who has been hired without one (and where). I think that topic has been beaten to death already. So let's assume I had a 4-year degree.

My second problem......

My lack of presence in the US work force, and education outside of the country, means I have little to no contacts inside the US airlines. We all know how important internal recommends are. I could ultimately take the time and money to obtain a full degree, but it's a lot harder to build contacts from my position.

Has anyone been successful at a major or LCC without any recommends at all?

I understand the concern , at Jetblue we have had plenty of guys get on without a degree , def preferred but plenty have ton with out , as far as not knowing anyone , additionally we have had plenty of guys get random calls that had zero letters of rec and still get a call. No reasoning behind it .

Honestly in today's market the best thing to is get to a Job fair and meet and greet with every person you can . Who one knows goes a lot further sometimes than what's on your resume, just is what it is .

Best of luck .


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