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Old 04-17-2017, 04:18 PM
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So i am about to take my CMEL and CSEL. i currently have about 190 hours and 50ish sim.

When i finish all my training up i will have around 200 hours total FLIGHT (100ish SEL and 100 MEL) time. Do the 50 hours of sim count towards my 250 TT? or do i just build the extra 50 hours myself? not to sure how it works if i want to find a surveying job or something of the 250 hour low time variety.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Subieguy14 View Post
So i am about to take my CMEL and CSEL. i currently have about 190 hours and 50ish sim.

When i finish all my training up i will have around 200 hours total FLIGHT (100ish SEL and 100 MEL) time. Do the 50 hours of sim count towards my 250 TT? or do i just build the extra 50 hours myself? not to sure how it works if i want to find a surveying job or something of the 250 hour low time variety.
Sim time can be applied toward a rating or certificate. Sim time is not flight time and does not count toward total flight time. I never even logged it after I received my Commercial Cert.
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Sim time can be applied toward a rating or certificate. Sim time is not flight time and does not count toward total flight time. I never even logged it after I received my Commercial Cert.
So i would have to get another 50 hours in order to apply for any jobs, to meet the 250TT requirement?
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190 hrs sounds like Part 141 training and as such an approved FTD/Simulator can be logged towards Total Time.
However, employers may specifically look for 'flight time' in which case you would (formally) have to deduct it.
You need to look at the school syllabus and if the sim they use is approved by the FAA.
You're not really giving us enough info here.
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190 hrs sounds like Part 141 training and as such an approved FTD/Simulator can be logged towards Total Time.
However, employers may specifically look for 'flight time' in which case you would (formally) have to deduct it.
You need to look at the school syllabus and if the sim they use is approved by the FAA.
You're not really giving us enough info here.
Sorry about that, i am currently at ATP and have my last checkridesat the end of this month for my CMEL and CSEL. Im looking around for different jobs. I have 50 hours in an FAA approved sim towards my commercial and about 200 Total flight time. I was just wondering if when companies listed 250TT if that was counting sim time or just flight time, but it seems you answered that above, thank you.
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Originally Posted by Subieguy14 View Post
Sorry about that, i am currently at ATP and have my last checkridesat the end of this month for my CMEL and CSEL. Im looking around for different jobs. I have 50 hours in an FAA approved sim towards my commercial and about 200 Total flight time. I was just wondering if when companies listed 250TT if that was counting sim time or just flight time, but it seems you answered that above, thank you.
It depends. Usually employers mean actual flight time but in some cases may accept sim time if the limiting factor is a certificate (ie regionals hiring pilots with 25 hours ME time, allowing them to round out the ATP requirement with 25 hours in the sim during new-hire training).
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Originally Posted by Subieguy14 View Post
So i am about to take my CMEL and CSEL. i currently have about 190 hours and 50ish sim.

When i finish all my training up i will have around 200 hours total FLIGHT (100ish SEL and 100 MEL) time. Do the 50 hours of sim count towards my 250 TT? or do i just build the extra 50 hours myself? not to sure how it works if i want to find a surveying job or something of the 250 hour low time variety.
You mentioned surveying. A lot of places will take you at 200hrs. Look at various Picto-vendors. The lowest time guy in my class this season had only 220hrs. So You could still get picked up. They need ppl. And as others have stated, No the sim time doesn't count towards TT
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
190 hrs sounds like Part 141 training and as such an approved FTD/Simulator can be logged towards Total Time.
However, employers may specifically look for 'flight time' in which case you would (formally) have to deduct it.
You need to look at the school syllabus and if the sim they use is approved by the FAA.
You're not really giving us enough info here.
For clarity, NEVER log sim time as total time. It is not total time, or any other kind of flight time.

For some ratings, some sim time can be counted against the aeronautical experience requirements. That means the examiner looks at everything on your 8710 and decides if you have enough to meet the requirements.

For example you can get a ME ATP with 1475 total flight time, as long as you also have 25 hours in a ME sim. The sim time is instead of actual flight time, it does not BECOME (or get logged as) actual flight time...you still only 1475 hours.
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Some predict that future airliners will be remotely operated from cubicles. If that happens, then sim time will be the only valid logbook entry and airplane flying time won't count.
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Originally Posted by Subieguy14 View Post
So i am about to take my CMEL and CSEL. i currently have about 190 hours and 50ish sim.

When i finish all my training up i will have around 200 hours total FLIGHT (100ish SEL and 100 MEL) time. Do the 50 hours of sim count towards my 250 TT? or do i just build the extra 50 hours myself? not to sure how it works if i want to find a surveying job or something of the 250 hour low time variety.
From the commercial requirements under "(i) Permitted credit for use of a flight simulator or flight training device."

So yes, you can count your "50ish" sim.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, an applicant who has not accomplished the training required by this section in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter may:

(i) Credit a maximum of 50 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements for an airplane or powered-lift rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents that class of airplane or powered-lift category and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought;

And under that it says if you did it part 142 you can count 100 hours.

So yes, you can count your "50ish" sim.
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