ImperialxRat

Two questions:

As far as MEL's in the 121 world go, are they pretty much the bottom line as far as if the aircraft is airworthy or not?...or do you still reference the FAR's (TOMATOFLAMES, GRABCARD, etc)

So for example, if something is inop....and you reference your MEL, and it is NOT listed. Then do you reference the FAR's list of required items? Or if its simple not listed on your MEL, would you then down the aircraft?

Sorry if thats worded confusingly.

And second question, do the CRJ -2, -7, and -9 all share the same type rating? Or is it a separate one for each aircraft?

Thanks!

FlyerJosh

The CRJ's all share one type rating (with differences training). The CL-65 type rating covers the CRJ-200, CRJ-700, CRJ-900, CL-800, CL-850, CL-870, CL-890 aircraft.

It does not include any of the Challenger 600/601/604 aircraft.

172capt

I think for the MEL you would not have to refrence the FAR's because the MEL a airline uses starts from a Master MEL that the FAA has. So the Airline has to use everything on the Master MEL which would include anything required by the FARs and all the airline can do is add on to it. Hope that helps imperial. Oh and I think they way you are asking if its not on the MEL do you have to down the aircraft. No only if its required on the MEL cause its the minimum equipment required to fly by your ops specs.

ImperialxRat

Well, I think your mistaking an equipment list, with an MEL. The equipment list is a list of everything on the aircraft, as well as pertinent info, such as weight, location, and if its required.

A MEL is a list of equipment that can be inop and still have the aircraft airworthy. and your correct about the MMEL, modify it, submit to FSDO, etc etc.

So I guess when im asking, is if the item is not listed in your MEL, and its not listed in your equipment list as required, would you then reference the FARs to determine if its required, and what course of action to take?

Or is it as 172capt says, where everything listed in the FARs for required day/night VFR and IFR is included in your MEL?

I remember the example given in the classroom was something along the lines of...lets say you have a blender onboard the aircraft, and its bolted down on a counter. The blender goes inop, and its not listed in the MEL... is it airworthy?

Of course real world we would know that the blender is of course working when we took off, and must have become inop during the flight..... but im just asking technical FAR reqs

172capt

This may help AOPA's explanation.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications...m?article=4590

ImperialxRat

"When a part of the aircraft is found to be inoperative the pilot will refer to the MEL. If the item is not in the procedures document, the aircraft is grounded."

So our blender scenario actually would down the airplane?


Over-all that did help 172capt, so thanks. Looks like its either the MEL OR the FARs. Dont need to go referencing both, so thanks!

aero550

The blender would be considered a cabin convenience item and would not have to be operable. There is usually a statement to that effect in training and in the MEL that makes it more clear.

ImperialxRat

oh, thanks!