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Bruno82 12-24-2017 09:30 AM

Thank you all for your replies and insight.

It’s time to head black to a regional.

Flyhayes 12-24-2017 10:23 AM

Heading back to a regional will also put you through the training pipeline. It seems as if the Legacies like to see a recent initial training event on a person's resume to prove that you are trainable. That's one theory at least as to why some of the younger crowd is getting the call before some vastly more experienced people.

ZapBrannigan 12-24-2017 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2488949)
Unfortunately they aren’t. It is ridiculous. Flows get free jobs but we can’t flow back? Insanity.


I think that stinks! 🤬


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Fourpaw 12-24-2017 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2488774)
Hello all,

I’m looking for thoughts and perspectives from the APC brain trust.

I’m looking to return to the 121 world and would like to work for a AA, UAL, DAL, SWA, FedEx or UPS. I flew for Eagle for 6 years then left for my current job in 2012. I’ve been flying a King Air E90 for an oil company since then. I also do the desk work that the company does which has been enjoyable and a good skill to fall back on if needed. However, flying has slowed down and I suspect the current owner will retire in a couple of years and the plane will be gone.

I have 5,800 TT, 4330 Part 121, and 780 TPIC. My problem is I’m down to about 60 hours a year. We are Part 91 and we fly as a two person crew so actual flight time is about double.

I’ve had apps in to the companies above for a year. I currently make good money at my job and have a good QOL. Going to a regional or LCC and making maybe $40kish a year would be very tough for my family. My fear is going back to a regional and getting stuck making regional FO pay in a downturn. I’m not sure if I’m even marketable at an LCC but I wouldn’t mind staying at one long term.

So, to the brain trust: Would you...
A) Stay where you are, hope the above companies call, and wait until the company sells the plane and then go to a regional or LCC?
B) Go to a regional, hope to upgrade, get hired somewhere or flow?
C) Go to a LCC
D) Other

I appreciate any constructive advice and thoughts.


At Endeavor you will make 60-70k your first year and close to 100k when you upgrade....

rickair7777 12-24-2017 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2488949)
Unfortunately they aren’t. It is ridiculous. Flows get free jobs but we can’t flow back? Insanity.

CFI's are a valuable commodity. Furloughed legacy pilots have no value whatsoever.

j3gibbon 12-25-2017 01:06 PM

I was in almost exactly in the same position as you 6 months ago. I left the 121 in 2015 for a local job flying a bonanza 150-200hrs a year. I was there just over 2 years before being laid off and heard from a few recruiters during that time to get back to a 121. I came back to GoJet, yes back. I was hired as a street captain, which they are hiring again now, and didn't loose the house. Endeavor, GoJet, and others are worth considering for sure. A ULCC may pick you up, at $30,000 if your lucky the first year. Feel free to PM for more information and good luck.

mainlineAF 12-25-2017 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2489177)
CFI's are a valuable commodity. Furloughed legacy pilots have no value whatsoever.



I don’t get it.

rickair7777 12-25-2017 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2489432)
I don’t get it.

They have to incentive CFI's to come work at their regionals.

They don't have to incentivize legacy pilots to not quit. They don't have to incentivize furloughed legacy pilots to return when called.

ZapBrannigan 12-27-2017 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2489499)
They don't have to incentivize furloughed legacy pilots to return when called.


Somebody should tell USAir that when the recalls started in 2007. So few people accepted recall, they just recalled the whole group “take it or leave it” in violation of the CBA.



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galaxy flyer 12-27-2017 11:15 AM

ZapBrannigan,

Funny, you should mention that at USAir. A friend from the Reserves turned down recall then, as he had a nice corporate job (sound familiar?). Later, unhappy when the lead mechanic took over, moved to another position to have the plane sold. He then called AA about coming back. So far, he’s been told, “possibly, but we have to work it”. Not sure what’s happened in the last month.

GF


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