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BeatNavy 01-28-2018 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Deathwish (Post 2514077)
Thought it was Aisle Donkey

Aka cart donkey. Aka cat rancher.

badflaps 01-29-2018 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2514148)
Aka cart donkey. Aka cat rancher.

What ever happened to "Tail Gunner?":D

42jeff 01-29-2018 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2513950)
Please, please read Flying the Line, vol1 & 2.. I was given that book many years ago and it’s invaluable for new airline pilots. You really need to understand the history of how pilots got here.

GF

Second time I've had that book recommended to me. I just found it in pdf from ALPA

Klondike Bear 01-31-2018 05:57 AM

Bohica, this usually applies during the lead up for voting on a contract.

HiFlyer992 03-24-2018 06:13 PM

Got a couple more if anyone can help:

Consolidation specific to each major. I think I get the gist of it, but what does it really mean? Specifically interested in this because of possible reserve orders.

Probation specific to each major.

Displaced.

IOE.

Twin Wasp 03-24-2018 08:01 PM

Consolidation is a FAA requirement to get 100 hours flight time within 120 days of your checkride. If you don't complete the consolidation requirement you go back to the training center for refresher training. The airline may be approved to extend the 120 days to 150 if a check airman observes your flying and says you're still good.

Displacement could be being pushed out of your seat, your aircraft or your base. Usually the union contract will say how it's done. When times are good people can move up to bigger equipment and the left seat Displacement occurs when times are bad and people are forced back to the right seat or to a less senior aircraft. It may also occur if a crew base is reduced or shut down and senior crew members push junior pilots to another base.

IOE is really just OE now but it's Initial Operating Experience. After you complete training on an aircraft you get a babysitter, a Line Check Airman. How long depends on what kind of training you complete which is why initial got dropped from the terminology. You could fly a plane for years as an F/O and if you upgrade you have to complete another round of OE before you are turned loose as a Captain.

rickair7777 03-24-2018 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by HiFlyer992 (Post 2558142)
Got a couple more if anyone can help:

Consolidation specific to each major. I think I get the gist of it, but what does it really mean? Specifically interested in this because of possible reserve orders.

Consolidation [of Knowledge]: You must acquire 100 hours of line operating time within 120 days of your checkride. For SIC's, IOE counts towards the 100 hours. For PIC, the 100 hours must be as actual PIC (after IOE). Completion of consolidation marks the completion of your initial training on a new aircraft.

Probation specific to each major: Varies by company. Typically one year, either calendar to the day, or upon completion of annual recurrent checkride. You have few union protections on probation, and do not pay union dues.

Displaced. Removed from a trip because the seat is needed for training another pilot (IOE). You should get paid, but may or may not be assigned something else. Also kicked out of your position in the event of downsizing.

IOE. Initial Operating Experience. Your first 40+ hours (depending on aircraft type) on line, which is flown with a check airman. This is training, can be failed, and finishes with a line check.

Twin Wasp 03-25-2018 02:48 AM

If OE goes to 40+ hours it's probably not going well. The FAA requires 25 for initial and Captain upgrade in a jet, 15 for jet SIC transition.

rickair7777 03-25-2018 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Twin Wasp (Post 2558265)
If OE goes to 40+ hours it's probably not going well. The FAA requires 25 for initial and Captain upgrade in a jet, 15 for jet SIC transition.

25 hours is correct, but I have observed at four airlines that they seem to schedule new-hires for 40-ish, probably to ensure they have enough landings and approaches.

You're not in any trouble unless the CKA on your last scheduled IOE trip tells you he cannot sign you off, and will need to request additional IOE.

aerostar14 03-29-2018 10:23 AM

Brickyard, anyone know this one?


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