Help. Multiple Checkride Failures
#51
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 30
this is a pretty interesting thread but just in case any new guys are reading this and worried about how to avoid checkride busts. It’s a question of being COMPLETELY PREPARED.
I went through ALL ATPS without any busts, flight instructing, 9 years at a regional and now a captain at a major having done three type ratings along the way. Never busted anything and I can assure you it’s not because I’m a good pilot but I can also assure you that I know I’ve invested the time and energy to be 100% prepped before each and every checking event.
You have to CHAIR FLY every maneuver over and over and over. You have to know backwards the PTS and the requirements of each and every maneuver. You sit in your bedroom and use your phone to record yourself going through the procedure/maneuver, verbalize to yourself as you’re doing the maneuver: what instrument you are looking at and what corrections you are making. listen to the recording and make sure no step in the procedure/flow/callout is missed.
It takes hours and hours of preparation, On your own, visualizing every maneuver until everything is second nature. That will present itself in the checkride as a confident pilot who knows his $hit and even a DE that needs a couple of busts will hold off on busting you and bust the next guy instead of you (which is what you want).
For those of you out there that successfully get through Checkrides on a wing and a prayer without the work, congrats, you’re probably great pilots with natural skill, lots of aptitude, smart, great memories etc etc. For the rest of us mere mortals, it just takes work.
I went through ALL ATPS without any busts, flight instructing, 9 years at a regional and now a captain at a major having done three type ratings along the way. Never busted anything and I can assure you it’s not because I’m a good pilot but I can also assure you that I know I’ve invested the time and energy to be 100% prepped before each and every checking event.
You have to CHAIR FLY every maneuver over and over and over. You have to know backwards the PTS and the requirements of each and every maneuver. You sit in your bedroom and use your phone to record yourself going through the procedure/maneuver, verbalize to yourself as you’re doing the maneuver: what instrument you are looking at and what corrections you are making. listen to the recording and make sure no step in the procedure/flow/callout is missed.
It takes hours and hours of preparation, On your own, visualizing every maneuver until everything is second nature. That will present itself in the checkride as a confident pilot who knows his $hit and even a DE that needs a couple of busts will hold off on busting you and bust the next guy instead of you (which is what you want).
For those of you out there that successfully get through Checkrides on a wing and a prayer without the work, congrats, you’re probably great pilots with natural skill, lots of aptitude, smart, great memories etc etc. For the rest of us mere mortals, it just takes work.
ATP's check rides are canned garbage. My CFI initial oral was 20 minutes. The last check ride i failed there, the DPE through me a pink slip during the debrief and said he would need to see another cross controlled stall from me. My illustrious ATP flight instructor, who has likely flowed to American by now, said he did know what that was.
ATP is a good place to accumulate multiple failed check rides. Proceed with caution.
#52
oh I get it. you were born on third base and think you hit a triple.
ATP's check rides are canned garbage. My CFI initial oral was 20 minutes. The last check ride i failed there, the DPE through me a pink slip during the debrief and said he would need to see another cross controlled stall from me. My illustrious ATP flight instructor, who has likely flowed to American by now, said he did know what that was.
ATP is a good place to accumulate multiple failed check rides. Proceed with caution.
ATP's check rides are canned garbage. My CFI initial oral was 20 minutes. The last check ride i failed there, the DPE through me a pink slip during the debrief and said he would need to see another cross controlled stall from me. My illustrious ATP flight instructor, who has likely flowed to American by now, said he did know what that was.
ATP is a good place to accumulate multiple failed check rides. Proceed with caution.
GF
#53
ATP's check rides are canned garbage. My CFI initial oral was 20 minutes. The last check ride i failed there, the DPE through me a pink slip during the debrief and said he would need to see another cross controlled stall from me. My illustrious ATP flight instructor, who has likely flowed to American by now, said he did know what that was.
ATP is a good place to accumulate multiple failed check rides. Proceed with caution.
It showed.
We managed to fix him though.
#55
It's not the end of the world with multiple failures whether they're in 121 or 91 world. I eventually ended up at Delta even with my own hiccups and it wasn't just 1 or 2 failures either. Perseverance is one of Delta's main cores. So don't give up just because someone says there's little to no hope to get to the legacy you want.
#56
It's not the end of the world with multiple failures whether they're in 121 or 91 world. I eventually ended up at Delta even with my own hiccups and it wasn't just 1 or 2 failures either. Perseverance is one of Delta's main cores. So don't give up just because someone says there's little to no hope to get to the legacy you want.
In addition to perseverance, the key resume bullets appears to be degree, semi-recent type training event, and 121 instructor/LCA experience. There are other things you want on your resume too, but without those three it's a crap-shoot.
#57
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 617
Good on you, absolutely agree about perseverance. But especially with DAL, you are a rare exception. For everyone like you I meet I know of at least 20 experienced RJ CA's with most or all of the tickets punched, squeaky clean records, apps out, and zero legacy calls.
In addition to perseverance, the key resume bullets appears to be degree, semi-recent type training event, and 121 instructor/LCA experience. There are other things you want on your resume too, but without those three it's a crap-shoot.
In addition to perseverance, the key resume bullets appears to be degree, semi-recent type training event, and 121 instructor/LCA experience. There are other things you want on your resume too, but without those three it's a crap-shoot.
#58
That's because statistics have shown that pilots who have not had a significant training event in years are more likely to fail training. Getting a new type is harder than just flying one you already know... after about a decade on the CRJ, recurrent was a no-stress event, barely had to study at all basically just reviewed the latest bulletins for hot topics. Upgrade on your current type can be pretty easy, at some places it takes about a week.
But LCA is the experience gold standard, precisely because it is a bit hard to come by. But if you're already in the training dept, you should have a leg up on an eventual LCA slot.
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