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Old 02-11-2018, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
Do they really? What is their overall bust rate? If it’s high, the FAA will investigate the training and checking. The instructor recommending a student for a check is supposed to be signing off that the examiner is ready. If they’re forcing checks, that should be investigated. Either training or checking isn’t up to snuff. UPT busts often came back to the sign off IP. Lots os wash-out leave by never being sent up for the check.

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I'm pretty sure they do a lot of part 61 training, which has no FAA oversight as far as the school is concerned. An individual instructor might be subject to scrutiny if they had a lot of students bust, but in a big group like that it probably doesn't get noticed right away, and the CFI's are off to the airlines before they accumulate a lot of student busts.
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Old 02-11-2018, 03:07 PM
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If you’re sick of flight Instructor take a couple of days and ask yourself what you can do to improve it.
You may be doing it for a while.
And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Plenty of career instructors.
Your instructional experience will give you more insight into why you failed the rides the way you did.
How many students have you had and how many have you signed off and how many have failed?
Get that number down also.
Instrument and ME are also the most dangerous forms of flight instruct as you will find out.
Opportunities to learn and gain experience.
Keep in touch with former students as one of them may very well give you a lead one day.
If you were nice to them that is
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:52 PM
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If you fail on the oral then retake and pass on the oral but fail on the flight portion, then after that pass on the part of the flight you screwed up on all for one rating, does that count as 2 busts or 1? Probably a dumb question just want to know so I can be as upfront as possible. I.e. Better to say I failed my commercial rating and leave it at that, or say I failed commercial twice once on oral once on flight.
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Old 02-23-2018, 04:37 AM
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No quick fix....5 busts out of 5 checkrides (PVT, Inst, COMM, Multi, CFI) does not bode well at all to any potential employer, regardless of the circumstances.

You need time, experience, and most importantly training records that will demonstrate your failures are behind you.....several years, a couple type ratings, recurrent training events, line checks, etc with no failures will help quite a bit. To get this, you’re gonna have to take something other guys in your place might not leap at, but you need to enthusiastically take it.

When you say 5 busts, are all of them actual Pink Slips from an examiner, or are we talking stage-checks and such?

Finally, do not get any speeding tickets, DUIs, etc.......adding anything to the file of busts will torpedo an already difficult career path. Do not bend metal either....anything that supports the conclusion an airline should look somewhere else for a pilot when they see 5 busts is very bad.
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Milksheikh View Post
If you fail on the oral then retake and pass on the oral but fail on the flight portion, then after that pass on the part of the flight you screwed up on all for one rating, does that count as 2 busts or 1? Probably a dumb question just want to know so I can be as upfront as possible. I.e. Better to say I failed my commercial rating and leave it at that, or say I failed commercial twice once on oral once on flight.
Two. Each attempt generates a pink slip which goes in your FAA record.

The airlines will have access to all of them, so you do have to be honest about it.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:58 PM
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The unfortunate part of this is that ATP forces students to take their checkrides even if they are not ready. That was also probably a huge factor here.
Yep, I know two ATP grads that have 5+ check ride failures. One now works for a 135 operation on a jet, so its not game over for OP!
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Old 02-24-2018, 05:57 AM
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Yep, I know two ATP grads that have 5+ check ride failures. One now works for a 135 operation on a jet, so its not game over for OP!
"Flying a jet for a 135 operator" covers a very wide range...
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
1-2 max, depending on the airline. After that, it starts to rapidly narrow your options... for life.

If you want to work at DAL, don't fail any.

Even your initial CFI one??

Isn't it almost a right of passage to bust that one on the first try??

I'm kind of joking, but kind of serious as well.
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Old 02-26-2018, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer View Post
Even your initial CFI one??

Isn't it almost a right of passage to bust that one on the first try??

I'm kind of joking, but kind of serious as well.
You might get away with one CFI bust with DAL (maybe even more if you had some sort of rock-star qualifications, like diversity). They seem to be screening for luck as much as talent, as far as training records.

But there is a Machiavellian motive for that... airlines know that one or two vs. zero checkride busts in general aviation days has essentially no predictive value as to your ability as a professional jet pilot years later... it's just statistical noise, aggravated by the wide variation in quality and consistency of training and checking in GA. But the public and the media don't know this, so airlines don't want a guy on staff whose record is going to look sensationally bad in a post-accident media-expose, or to the jury in the civil trial (ala Renslow).
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:15 PM
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I currently have four checkride failures all from GA. I failed my initial Private, Private multi add on, and my CFI single add on twice. That last one regarding my CFI was, as stated, not my initial. I passed my initial CFI the first time. I did the checkride as an MEI applicant. However, after obtaining my MEI, I ended up failing the single engine add on to my CFI twice. I am currently working as a FO at a Part 135 cargo company in a twin turbine aircraft and I didn't fail the training program. My plan is to become a captain and gain some twin turbine PIC. Overall, my question is could I still get hired at a regional like EDV or one of the AA wholly owneds with these credentials and past training record? What are my chances of getting on with a major like Delta? I know that four failures is a lot however I am wondering if I still might have a chance at a good regional or even any major. Thank you in advance to any who respond
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