galaxy flyer

I wouldn’t bet my career on that and it’s a career we’re talking about.

GF

spladle29

Thanks for the responses everyone I appreciate it. My takeaway is that it would still be possible to get hired by a regional and eventually a major but only if my record is flawless moving forward and I don't fail any checkrides, would you guys say that is correct or too optimistic? I'd be at least 27 before looking to be hired by a regional and well into my 30's before looking to be hired by a major, and these infractions would be 10-15+ years removed.


Yeah, this is the case in my state. The charge was dismissed but if you search my name in the state's online court database, the charge still shows up with the disposition as dismissed.

WhisperJet

I agree. That's why COMPLETE honesty and disclosure is the best course of action.

JohnBurke

Criminal history and wants and checks records (III and NCIC) are dependent on who or what reported. Charges brought and charges dropped are not at all in the same ballpark as a conviction, and not in the same arena as a trial, either. Anybody can be charged or anything. A charge doesn't necessarily carry much weight, and charges are often not reported.

Arrests, for those reporting and uploading to NCIC, or for those reporting to their state bureau of criminal investigation, are kept on record, and with the exception of certain expunged or sealed records, arrest records will remain searchable and discoverable for life. Local violations no, but anything that gets sent to the state or federal system will be.

Years ago this was not always the case; not every state reported or was part of the driver compact, for example; one could have a conviction in certain states that would not show up with a records check or criminal history check in another state. That is seldom the case today. It's still the case for certain local convictions which are held locally and disposed locally. In most cases, however, and certainly convictions for state statutes and federal law, it's going to come back in a criminal history check (III).

You can request a check yourself, usually through your local police department or county sheriff's office, usually for a small fee. You can request a wants check, and criminal history report. Some states do it through the state bureau of criminal investigation (BCI). It's a simple process, and takes about thirty seconds on a computer. I've done a lot of them.

Whether the matter is discoverable or not, however, if you're asked a specific question about arrests, or if you've ever been charged with a crime, do not lie, do not embellish, or alter the facts. State them clearly, and honestly.

I was at dinner very recently and met an individual who had a fanciful past. I politely enquired about a few details, and immediately knew he was lying. It's just not that big an industry; people know people, most of us have been at more than one company, most of us have history and know history and have been around. There's the age-old story about the guy who parker-penned his logbook by writing the N-numbers of aircraft on the ramp at the local field, but who made the mistake of including one owned by the same inspector giving him a checkride. Caught when the inspector saw his own airplane number in the kid's logbook. Or the guy who claimed to have worked for this operation or that, and didn't...or who claimed to have quit when fired, or who *didn't* get arrested. It's far more about honesty than the actual event. You may get a pass for being arrested or charged, but you won't if you're caught lying.

We had a gentleman some years ago who quietly claimed to have been a former Navy SEAL. These things are verifiable. He looked the part, talked the talk, walked the walk, but only just. I checked. He wasn't. His credibility was shot, and we couldn't trust him. That he wasn't a SEAL wasn't important...lots of people aren't former SEALs. That he lied, and claimed to be; that was important. Very important. A crime, too...but for us, it was all about who we could trust, and it's very hard to trust someone who isn't honest and up front. Don't be that guy. Be honest. It will count far more than whether you were charged.

Now having said that, refer back to my previous comments.

nukem

The case was dismissed and he does have an attempted burglary charge on his record. Are you still saying they are two different opposite things? If so, why?

JohnBurke

I did say they're two different things.

How does he know what he has on his "record?"

Do you know what a "record" is, and what it contains?

nukem

I'll just leave this here.

spladle29

In my state, if you search "state courts online" on Google and follow the link, you can do a case search for free by first and last name. For me it shows these 4 instances. However on the state's Dept of Criminal Investigation website, you can obtain a "full criminal history record check" for a small fee. I am going to do that and see what the results are. On the DCI site's FAQ section, it says that arrests/charges that were dismissed will not show up on the record. If that's the case I suppose that is good for me, but I don't know why it wouldn't appear there given that it shows up in the free search on the state courts website.

JohnBurke

Reading comprehension, mate. Get some.

Do you undestand the difference between a charge and a criminal action?

Good for you isn't how visible your past might be, but how honest you are about it and whether you own it.

After that burglary incident (to which you were a party, by your own admission, regardless of the disposition), you incurred more charges. That is not learning. Learning is demonstrated by a change in behavior. Learn.

SonicFlyer

Side question, how can run a NCIC check on someone else?