Good Article on Pilot Shortage
05-07-2018, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dhc8guru
Look at the 2017 report. Between 2016 and 2017, only about 2000 people got a Commercial pilots license's and about the same for CFI's. Go back and look at the 2011 to 2012 report and 4000 active pilots dropped that year.
05-07-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bamike
Take a closer look at Table 16. FAA issued 10,506 Initial Commercial certificates in 2017. 2,080 is the net increase in active commercial certificates, not new issuance. The difference is probably due to non-active pilots and people getting ATPs, which means they are no longer part of the commercial pilot number.
I was wondering where he came up with that number. More people were getting trained last year than any other year on that list.
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05-08-2018, 08:49 PM
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There is a way to approximately quantify the foreign students from the FAA database but it requires a little bit of, let's say, last name profiling. I looked at doing it but it's beyond my skills. I tried to do it in powershell because I somewhat know it and it can take input from a spreadsheet. Most of the foreign students used only a couple variations of home addresses, per every big 141 school. I scrolled through everything and know this is a repeating trend. You have to find these addresses manually by matching the Asian names with the repeating addresses. Then store the repeating addresses and write a query to filter them out and count the instances. That's where I got hung up but I know that there are people out there, probably some pilots, that know how to do this.
05-09-2018, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Not sure what numbers you are looking at, but it is actually a great investment.
https://mashable.com/2016/04/20/regi.../#uC7eBXLPAGq3
Believe me when I say, its not a great investment. My wife is an anesthesiologist. She invested $250k in education, four years of school and four years as a resident (of which she got paid about $50k a year) and now she makes $550k a year. That's a good ROI.
She pretty much invested the same money and time into her education as a pilot would and a pilot will never see that kind of money. Not to mention, she will never get jerked around, be under a threat of losing her livelihood due to loss of a medical certificate and she is home pretty much every night.
05-09-2018, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bamike
Take a closer look at Table 16. FAA issued 10,506 Initial Commercial certificates in 2017. 2,080 is the net increase in active commercial certificates, not new issuance. The difference is probably due to non-active pilots and people getting ATPs, which means they are no longer part of the commercial pilot number.
Hypothetically, if all 1,931 ATP's came from 121 operators hiring commercial pilots and put them through ATP/CTP training, its show's how difficult it is for them to get pilots.
I don't know how true it is but I heard that most regional's are only getting about five pilots hired each month. Seemed unreal to me but when you look at that fact that only 1,931 ATP's issued, five pilots a month seems possible.
How many regional's are there, around 20? If each hired five a month, that's 1200 pilots. The rest could easily be taken up by 135 operators.
05-09-2018, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dhc8guru
She pretty much invested the same money and time into her education as a pilot would and a pilot will never see that kind of money.
05-09-2018, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dhc8guru
just a quick google search brought this up...
https://mashable.com/2016/04/20/regi.../#uC7eBXLPAGq3
Believe me when I say, its not a great investment. My wife is an anesthesiologist. She invested $250k in education, four years of school and four years as a resident (of which she got paid about $50k a year) and now she makes $550k a year. That's a good ROI.
She pretty much invested the same money and time into her education as a pilot would and a pilot will never see that kind of money. Not to mention, she will never get jerked around, be under a threat of losing her livelihood due to loss of a medical certificate and she is home pretty much every night.
https://mashable.com/2016/04/20/regi.../#uC7eBXLPAGq3
Believe me when I say, its not a great investment. My wife is an anesthesiologist. She invested $250k in education, four years of school and four years as a resident (of which she got paid about $50k a year) and now she makes $550k a year. That's a good ROI.
She pretty much invested the same money and time into her education as a pilot would and a pilot will never see that kind of money. Not to mention, she will never get jerked around, be under a threat of losing her livelihood due to loss of a medical certificate and she is home pretty much every night.
A pilot might spend $100k, one year in "school" and will hit $200k pretty easily in 8 years. Heck, you can expect to hit $100k/year on your second or third year. This assuming no 4 year degree.
Home every night, but work 20-22 days a month. A pilot is home much more.
With a 4 year degree, numbers change depending where you get that degree from.
05-09-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Your wife also pays what, $200k a year in liability insurance?
A pilot might spend $100k, one year in "school" and will hit $200k pretty easily in 8 years. Heck, you can expect to hit $100k/year on your second or third year. This assuming no 4 year degree.
Home every night, but work 20-22 days a month. A pilot is home much more.
With a 4 year degree, numbers change depending where you get that degree from.
A pilot might spend $100k, one year in "school" and will hit $200k pretty easily in 8 years. Heck, you can expect to hit $100k/year on your second or third year. This assuming no 4 year degree.
Home every night, but work 20-22 days a month. A pilot is home much more.
With a 4 year degree, numbers change depending where you get that degree from.
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