Regional/Major hiring for Unlucky Misdemeanor
06-25-2018, 11:53 AM
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I had a similar misdemeanor, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They dropped the resisting arrest and I did community service for the disorderly conduct, at age 20. I was hired by both the Air Force and a Major airline to fly. My bigger concern is you not completing the community service on time. You need to be able to explain that one, to me, it shows that you didn’t really learn from your mistake (at that time anyway).
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well.
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well.
06-25-2018, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
I had a similar misdemeanor, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They dropped the resisting arrest and I did community service for the disorderly conduct, at age 20. I was hired by both the Air Force and a Major airline to fly. My bigger concern is you not completing the community service on time. You need to be able to explain that one, to me, it shows that you didn’t really learn from your mistake (at that time anyway).
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well.
Do you have your degree yet? I assume not since you are talking about enlisting. You should get one and have a plan for paying for it in addition to your flight training. Maybe enlist in the guard or reserves and get a GI bill and tuition assistance. Could lead to a flying gig as well.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law.
Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person.
I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature.
Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed.
Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha".
At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned).
If not, Im going to have to find a different career.
But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals.
06-25-2018, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey1029
Well, I didnt fully complete the community service because I got mixed up about the dates. When I finally checked it it was literally 3 days out. So I did as much as I could within the 3 days but it was too late and the judge sent me to jail.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law.
Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person.
I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature.
Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed.
Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha".
At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned).
If not, Im going to have to find a different career.
But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law.
Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person.
I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature.
Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed.
Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha".
At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned).
If not, Im going to have to find a different career.
But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals.
3 exist, Owned by AA. Envoy, Piedmont and PSA.
Provided you don’t fail more than 2 checkride 3/3 should take you. You’ll be able to build your resume while keeping a flow to AA (where they fly 787s) in your back pocket.
06-25-2018, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mikey1029
Well, I didnt fully complete the community service because I got mixed up about the dates. When I finally checked it it was literally 3 days out. So I did as much as I could within the 3 days but it was too late and the judge sent me to jail.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law.
Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person.
I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature.
Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed.
Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha".
At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for
them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned).
If not, Im going to have to find a different career.
But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals.
At the time I didnt really learn too much, Ill admit it. But that was literally when I was 20, I was entitled and felt like I could get away with anything. But after that particular incident and spending the night in county jail with all the inmates. That experience changed me a lot in terms of following the rules and respecting the law.
Fast forward 8 years and Im not even close to the same person.
I mean its not like I was a bad person because I can say without bragging that I was always a good person with good morales. My parents didnt spend all their time, money, effort and love to raise me into a criminal. It was a mistake and lack of judgement in a time when I was immature.
Like I went to church 5 days a week(because I liked it, not forced), was a church mentor, I was on the Varsity golf team, won local, state and national awards in golf, scholar athlete 1 year. I interned for a former US Congressman and he would definitely vouch for me and my character and told me he would write a thorough recommendation whenever I needed.
Im not trying to downplay what happened but when I told my recruiter what happened, he literally laughed in my face and said "when you explained this to me on the phone I thought you were gonna look totally different, but seeing you now this is hilarious, gotta love America. I think I can get you a waiver hahahaha".
At this point I have the money to finish all my licenses until CFI. I feel like from what everyone said I can go to the regionals. Great! But I really dont think Ill be satisfied with this career unless I achieve my dream of flying a 787. Im not trying to insult anyone else, if they love what they do then awesome! But im not like that. I love achieving great heights, Im not a settler, thats why I NEED to make sure I can go all the way in airline flying. Im relatively still too young to pick a career that will have a cap so low. Im not the type to be able to see my peers go above me( I mean I love them and congratulate the heck for
them but Im just competitive like that. When I quit golf, my peers even ones that were worse than me, most became professionals, some became millionaires. Thats why im sticking to what I do, lesson learned).
If not, Im going to have to find a different career.
But yes, my plan is to finish my degree online once I get to the regionals.
You state “I’m not trying to insult anyone” and then immediately insult people!! You make wild assumptions that people people at regionals are “settlers” and they don’t like “achieving great heights”. Can you be more belittling and naive??
06-25-2018, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Everything about this post says “not my fault” and reeks of arrogance. Further, the grammar is horrendous.
You state “I’m not trying to insult anyone” and then immediately insult people!! You make wild assumptions that people people at regionals are “settlers” and they don’t like “achieving great heights”. Can you be more belittling and naive??
You state “I’m not trying to insult anyone” and then immediately insult people!! You make wild assumptions that people people at regionals are “settlers” and they don’t like “achieving great heights”. Can you be more belittling and naive??
And I'm sorry my grammar was not up to par. I just wrote it like I was talking to someone.
Look, I'm not trying to fight with anyone or insult anyone. Please don't take offense.
We're all in the same group and in or pursuing the same profession. I'm just trying to look for career advice and look up to the elders of the group.
Once again I'm sorry if you took offense, was not my intention.
06-25-2018, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Regionals won't care. Find a wholly owned with flow. But don't make another screw up of any kind, not a DUI, not a public argument with a significant other, ....nothing.
OH, and it wasn't unlucky, it was stupid, but that's OK, sort if. Being young enough, you will probably get some slack about your stupidity, everybody does stupid things when they are young. But you aren't young anymore.
OH, and it wasn't unlucky, it was stupid, but that's OK, sort if. Being young enough, you will probably get some slack about your stupidity, everybody does stupid things when they are young. But you aren't young anymore.
Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years.
In the grand scheme, with all the retirements, you'll probably be able to get on with a major. But I'd shoot for an AA wholly owned just to be safe.
Also.... it's good to apply to all majors early. But read the apps carefully... if you can't answer no to that question about convictions within the last ten years, it might be worth waiting a year or three until you can answer no.
06-25-2018, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Can you be more belittling and naive??
06-25-2018, 09:03 PM
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OP,
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career.
My point is, you just can’t predict this very well.
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career.
My point is, you just can’t predict this very well.
06-25-2018, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
This. You'll need to stay clean, sober, and trouble free.
Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years.
In the grand scheme, with all the retirements, you'll probably be able to get on with a major. But I'd shoot for an AA wholly owned just to be safe.
Also.... it's good to apply to all majors early. But read the apps carefully... if you can't answer no to that question about convictions within the last ten years, it might be worth waiting a year or three until you can answer no.
Good news is that some of most majors will not even be able to ask after 7-10 years.
In the grand scheme, with all the retirements, you'll probably be able to get on with a major. But I'd shoot for an AA wholly owned just to be safe.
Also.... it's good to apply to all majors early. But read the apps carefully... if you can't answer no to that question about convictions within the last ten years, it might be worth waiting a year or three until you can answer no.
Training and instruction would take at least 2 years so then I would be in alright.
06-25-2018, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
OP,
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career.
My point is, you just can’t predict this very well.
It doesn’t quite work the way you think it does WRT 787’s. It is not merit based at all, 787 pilots aren’t better pilots or more successful, they didn’t perform better in training. They are senior, perhaps they were hired young (which in a way is something they earned I guess). You are 28, likely you’ll be 35 or 36 before you could be hired at a major (assuming you get your degree done). At that point it’s all a numbers game. The question will be how many guys are senior and younger than you. Depending on the airline, if that number is greater than 2000 or so, you’ll likely never be a wide body Captain. The good news is, you will likely be able to be a wide body FO or Narrow body Captain, and still have a great career.
My point is, you just can’t predict this very well.
If I'm not good enough to make it to the majors is one story, I'll accept it. But what I don't want is to not be able to qualify for it.
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