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Old 06-29-2018, 07:36 AM   #11  
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IF you get hired. Be prepared for it to be at a regional with a poor (heartless) training program. Your not going to end up some reputable regional with decent training
Iíve overcome these failures, and trust me I have been humbled by them. I agree that going to that school was a big mistake.
The more I teach, the more I learn how to overcome the mistakes I made.

Iíve heard people with worse records get offers to envoy, TSA, and Skywest. Are you saying that wonít be possible?

And are you saying that 4 busts will close an application because it essentially exceeds the limit the application filters? Is there proof of this?
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Look forward, NOT BACK. Make no excuses - own it. However, you must establish a 100% success record in the 121 world and it will probably take 5 or more years to overcome it.
I will and do own these. And looking forward is the only way to MOVE forward. Isn’t 5 years typically the average to get to a career airline as it is?
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I will and do own these. And looking forward is the only way to MOVE forward. Isnít 5 years typically the average to get to a career airline as it is?
It took me fifteen years just to get to turbine equipment.
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Iíve overcome these failures, and trust me I have been humbled by them.

The more I teach, the more I learn how to overcome the mistakes I made.
This is what counts. Work up a good little paragraph about how past failures make you a better pilot/candidate. Short and to the point, do not volunteer information not asked about.

And the airlines also have copies of your grade school permanent record, so they know what you did in 5th grade.

I know a few pilots that have been hired in the last year that failed a check ride or two and do not even have a 4 year degree. Shocking..!!!
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Skywest's literature about there cadet program states 3 checkride failures as the max

Envoy, I have no such official information on Envoy. If I am not mistaken, it was an American Eagle crash that was the catalyst for PRIA.

TSA - training department- search function

What I am saying is that you have crossed a line. Any job offer you receive is ENTIRELY based on the pilot shortage. Yes I know it only supposed to get worse.
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Skywest's literature about there cadet program states 3 checkride failures as the max

Envoy, I have no such official information on Envoy. If I am not mistaken, it was an American Eagle crash that was the catalyst for PRIA.

TSA - training department- search function

What I am saying is that you have crossed a line. Any job offer you receive is ENTIRELY based on the pilot shortage. Yes I know it only supposed to get worse.


Well, I guess what I am asking then, is should I look for other employment? Like I said, I don’t want to quit, but if I crossed a line, I need to look elsewhere to start making a living/use my non-aviation degree to work towards another career.
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Iíve heard people with worse records get offers to envoy, TSA, and Skywest. Are you saying that wonít be possible?

And are you saying that 4 busts will close an application because it essentially exceeds the limit the application filters? Is there proof of this?
Well, there seems to be a bit of flare for the dramatic in some previous posts...

4 checkride failures hurt... but that doesnít mean you wonít be able to make a life somewhere.

The pilot shortage will work on your, and others who have blemished records, favor.

If you want to go to a big 3 legacy, at this moment your best path will be an AA Wholly Owned regional. As they lag further behind in pay/QOL again expect them to be less stringent/more forgiving with their hiring criteria. At the moment youíll likely get on with one, have a 50/50 shot (depending on your record since) at another of the three. Keep an eye on them and apply as soon as you get close to your ATP mins and keep re-applying every 6 months as necessary.

Outside of the AA Wholly Owneds, look for regionals with partnerships to the U/LCCs... making $200k a year as a captain at one of them isnít shabby by any means.

If you move down the list and canít initially get on with a comapny that has a backup pathway plan, go to a regional that seems to have a stable future and will allow you to upgrade, and start building your resume there and keep applying to ACMIS, U/LCCs and legacies and keep moving to the next best gig until you find a place that can be a career for you.

Just remember that youíll have to be more calculating about career prospects than some of your clean record peers who can chase a shiny jet or go to a place on a dice roll because they think itíll get the, a leg up for the Job they apply for afterwards. You need to approach things with the idea that your next job could be your last move career wise.

The chances are high that youíll end up at a place that allows you to break 6 figures though so thatís a plus.
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It took me fifteen years just to get to turbine equipment.
Different market.
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Whether to go to plan B is your call.

As someone who finished ATP over a decade ago with four failed check rides, I can tell you it has not been fun.
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IF you get hired. Be prepared for it to be at a regional with a poor (heartless) training program. Your not going to end up some reputable regional with decent training
Not true. A guy I know with more checkride busts than OP just got in with Republic.
He'll probably be there for life though, but it's not a career ender.

(funnily enough, he went to the same school you guys did...)
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