Shot at endeavor 5 checkride failures.
08-09-2018, 07:15 PM
#101
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,465
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Single occupancy hotel during regional training: THE defining criteria of a successful regional career. It won't matter at all if you get stuck chained to JO's oar for a decade as long as you had your own hotel room for a few weeks as a new hire.
You'd have to be insane to voluntarily choose mesa for any reason other than they are the only place which will hire you. People say they've changed, but as long as JO is there they haven't really. If he ever leaves, then they'd probably be similar to any other regional. But you don't want that guy holding a gun to your QOL and personal dignity.
You'd have to be insane to voluntarily choose mesa for any reason other than they are the only place which will hire you. People say they've changed, but as long as JO is there they haven't really. If he ever leaves, then they'd probably be similar to any other regional. But you don't want that guy holding a gun to your QOL and personal dignity.
08-09-2018, 07:28 PM
#102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,901
Originally Posted by dera
Well, it shows how little the company appreciates you. Mesa pays better, both hire anyone. Hard to compare really.
08-09-2018, 07:34 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by dera
Well, it shows how little the company appreciates you. Mesa pays better, both hire anyone. Hard to compare really.
Yes mesa appreciates you. Bending over. But hey, if that's your thing...
08-09-2018, 09:58 PM
#104
Airborne bus driver
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: my seat smells funny
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes mesa appreciates you. Bending over. But hey, if that's your thing...
Isn't the "term de jour" "leaning forward" or some such nonsense??
PS, send "dickie-do dillbert," over to Alaska; we will show him how real female fliers fly.
RadialGal
Last edited by RadialGal; 08-09-2018 at 09:59 PM. Reason: quotes are hard
09-04-2018, 06:30 AM
#105
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Aside this guy excuses and completely wrong attitude about his failures, after 3000 hours of given instruction in GA and a couple hundred in a 142 center I’m really amazing how easy some of you judge 5 checkrides failures considering this guy useless or not cut to be a pilot.
I have many experiences about guys with no failures unable to complete a single engine ILS approach, feathering wrong engine, panicking in an engine cut…etc. I saw 757 senior captains mistaken the loc frequency and therefore approaching to the wrong runway, and 320 TRI turning to wrong side in a hold, etc… Also I remember several guys with 5- 6 failures in their records with an incredible flying skills, decision making, good attitude and I wondered what happened in their checkrides…..
Failures don’t mean too much, especially when it came from South Florida FSDO… one of the worst and shameful in the nation, having DPE with a very questionable judgment and integrity.
I would love to fly with some of those perfect pilots who have commented that this guy doesn’t fit for pilot because the failures. I would be amazed if after 17 instructional years you show me a perfect ride with no errors at all.
I have many experiences about guys with no failures unable to complete a single engine ILS approach, feathering wrong engine, panicking in an engine cut…etc. I saw 757 senior captains mistaken the loc frequency and therefore approaching to the wrong runway, and 320 TRI turning to wrong side in a hold, etc… Also I remember several guys with 5- 6 failures in their records with an incredible flying skills, decision making, good attitude and I wondered what happened in their checkrides…..
Failures don’t mean too much, especially when it came from South Florida FSDO… one of the worst and shameful in the nation, having DPE with a very questionable judgment and integrity.
I would love to fly with some of those perfect pilots who have commented that this guy doesn’t fit for pilot because the failures. I would be amazed if after 17 instructional years you show me a perfect ride with no errors at all.
09-04-2018, 08:09 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by tmontana6
Aside this guy excuses and completely wrong attitude about his failures, after 3000 hours of given instruction in GA and a couple hundred in a 142 center I’m really amazing how easy some of you judge 5 checkrides failures considering this guy useless or not cut to be a pilot.
I have many experiences about guys with no failures unable to complete a single engine ILS approach, feathering wrong engine, panicking in an engine cut…etc. I saw 757 senior captains mistaken the loc frequency and therefore approaching to the wrong runway, and 320 TRI turning to wrong side in a hold, etc… Also I remember several guys with 5- 6 failures in their records with an incredible flying skills, decision making, good attitude and I wondered what happened in their checkrides…..
Failures don’t mean too much, especially when it came from South Florida FSDO… one of the worst and shameful in the nation, having DPE with a very questionable judgment and integrity.
I would love to fly with some of those perfect pilots who have commented that this guy doesn’t fit for pilot because the failures. I would be amazed if after 17 instructional years you show me a perfect ride with no errors at all.
I have many experiences about guys with no failures unable to complete a single engine ILS approach, feathering wrong engine, panicking in an engine cut…etc. I saw 757 senior captains mistaken the loc frequency and therefore approaching to the wrong runway, and 320 TRI turning to wrong side in a hold, etc… Also I remember several guys with 5- 6 failures in their records with an incredible flying skills, decision making, good attitude and I wondered what happened in their checkrides…..
Failures don’t mean too much, especially when it came from South Florida FSDO… one of the worst and shameful in the nation, having DPE with a very questionable judgment and integrity.
I would love to fly with some of those perfect pilots who have commented that this guy doesn’t fit for pilot because the failures. I would be amazed if after 17 instructional years you show me a perfect ride with no errors at all.
It's also possible that someone with multiple failures just sucks. "Checkride-itis" is unfornuayely not a valid excuse, because employers need pilots who can not only fly safe but also complete training events in a timely and cost effective manner. Honestly a lot of them hire for the later criteria, and "assume" that completion of training will then correlate to safe pilot.
Employers don't know which you are, and they are not required to give anyone a "fair shake", so they'll typically move on to other candidates whose records don't pose an analytical dilemma.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter how good a pilot you are, or will become, a big part of the game you're playing is to keep your nose clean.
09-04-2018, 08:50 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 6
Originally Posted by rickair7777
It's possible that a young, inexperienced person could get caught up in a bad situation in part 91 and rack up a bunch of failures... general aviation (including 141 to a degree) is pretty inconsistent. With some experience, that person might be a great pilot.
It's also possible that someone with multiple failures just sucks. "Checkride-itis" is unfornuayely not a valid excuse, because employers need pilots who can not only fly safe but also complete training events in a timely and cost effective manner. Honestly a lot of them hire for the later criteria, and "assume" that completion of training will then correlate to safe pilot.
Employers don't know which you are, and they are not required to give anyone a "fair shake", so they'll typically move on to other candidates whose records don't pose an analytical dilemma.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter how good a pilot you are, or will become, a big part of the game you're playing is to keep your nose clean.
It's also possible that someone with multiple failures just sucks. "Checkride-itis" is unfornuayely not a valid excuse, because employers need pilots who can not only fly safe but also complete training events in a timely and cost effective manner. Honestly a lot of them hire for the later criteria, and "assume" that completion of training will then correlate to safe pilot.
Employers don't know which you are, and they are not required to give anyone a "fair shake", so they'll typically move on to other candidates whose records don't pose an analytical dilemma.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter how good a pilot you are, or will become, a big part of the game you're playing is to keep your nose clean.
I completely agree with you and in some cases is not fair at all..is why I say that failures doesn't mean un-safe... is true that can mean difficult to train (checkride-itis) which also is important from the business perspective.
Agree also that is more easy choose the "clean" candidate but in the real 142 training you see which one are trainable and which are not... and that is not related his incident/accident/ride failures.
In Europe the airlines cannot see applicant failures because is personal data, so they do an full simulator assessment before hire anyone, and under my opinion... thats is quite more realistic and effective about pilot skills.
Also, all this things are related to market moment... someone told me that DAL hired recently individuals with DUI/Incident/Accident records, something unthinkable some time ago.
09-04-2018, 11:50 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Sim assessments were once standard in the US.
Rickair777: were sim “rides” banned at some point? Or thought too expensive for the value?
GF
Rickair777: were sim “rides” banned at some point? Or thought too expensive for the value?
GF
The regionals probably decided to give applicants a more thorough look-see via new-hire sim training. I think the interview sim was useful but it was not consistent across all applicants... applicants who had experience in type, experience in sims, or were maybe current instrument instructors had a marked advantage over those who were not. Also it was common for applicants to get sim prep at significant personal expense. I would say there were probably good pilots who got passed over because they didn't have experience in that particular sim.
I passed both of my regional interview sims, but the one which I had CFI instructor time in went a lot better than the 707 at AA!
That said, the end of the interview sim eval appeared to mark an inflection point in new-hire quality at my regional.
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