TiredSoul

Little sidetrack:
I learned as an Instructor too that day.

thepesimist

Yea he was totally nice on the ground and he just changed when we got into the airplane. Its still my fault for having soft personality and not being able to put up with the pressure or for not asking for a discontinuance. Hey I learn my lesson. I know many people who had to deal with angry, cursing examiners and was able to pass. I am just not there yet. Don't remember his name but Indian fellow around 50 if that narrows it down.

thepesimist

Don't mean for it to be an excuse for not getting maneuver but that what it was. For my third cfi attempt when I did power off 180 I did not lower gear until I was sure to make the runway following first examiners advice. My examiner did not like that, even though I did gump check 3 times without the "U". He let me know about the many accidents which happened since pilot forgot the gear and that I should probably go around if unable to make runway instead of resorting to such measures. Anyway he tried to demonstrate maneuver to me with gear down and of came short of the runway.

PotatoChip

Only if all pilots could be as good as JohnBurke and never make mistakes.

JohnBurke

If you think see and avoid is an exceptional standard open only to the elite, turn in whatever level of pilot certification you have and start over.

There are a lot of dead pilots who thought see and avoid wasn't a big deal.

Again, It's BASIC AIRMANSHIP.

I'm sick to death of hearing "got him on the fish finder," which means exactly jack squat, or the assumption that radios do the looking ("any inbound traffic, please advise"). Lots of dead pilots learned one final lesson the hard way. It's equally applicable to students as to the most seasoned professional. Same standard.

Same penalty for failure to do so..

PotatoChip

Again, it was a STUDENT PILOT who probably had less than 30 hours total time that got suckered in to following a jet he misidentified.
Jeezus. This has NOTHING to do with TCAS and your personal vendetta against pilots using it to identify traffic.

rickair7777

Yeah, unless tower was real explicit I see how that could happen to an inexperienced pilot. "You're number three, lear traffic on final at 9 oclock, traffic to follow citation base-to-final at your 11 oclock.

1337pilot

Good pilots can fail checkrides, I've flown with great captains here that were screwed by PCL's training department in the past. CFI rides do tend to have a higher bust rate as well, even for good pilots, especially when flying with some FAA knucklehead that washed out of airline training 10 years ago and thinks if you don't do things his exact way you're wrong.



But good grief, after reading this post, what you mentioned is all I could think of. Failed checkride for not identifying the right runway on an approach. Failing for not using the rudder because he didn't have rudder trim? What? Afraid of flying under a cloud peeking through the foggles instead of paying attention to the approach? wtf. It looks like he failed because his airmanship sucks, and he didn't learn anything from the failures because he apparently failed his was through all his ratings. And to think some unfortunate student spending thousands of dollars ended up with this guy as his instructor. You sir have no business being at any control station of any airplane, nevermind a commercial airliner. It's not about being mean, you have people's lives in your hands. If you suck that bad, get out of aviation and find a job where you can't kill anyone. Or apply to be a FA if you want to be on an airplane.

Stimpy the Kat

What was wrong with his statement ?

JohnBurke

It has nothing to do with Jesus.

You appear to have missed the point, as it's gone well over your head.

You may need to start student training once again. You've missed some very basic elements that ought not be.