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Old 10-18-2018, 02:44 PM
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I’m a young, 1000hr pilot flying light twins in aerial survey. A close family friend has offered a me a job in Europe in the right seat of a 737. Ignoring the FAA to EASA conversion, would accepting this job hinder a US career? I would expect to fly ~900hrs/yr and stat for 4 or 5 years before moving back to the States. There is a chance of upgrading to captain, but nothing to count on. If I do this and get ~4,000hrs of 737 SIC time, would I be a candidate for a major airline? Direct entry captain to a regional? Or would I need to collect my 1,000 (US) part 121 hours to be eligible for a PIC position

I’m quite ignorant about this topic and would appreciate any input
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Well, you won’t be a DEC anywhere in the US 121 operations. Foreign time doesn’t count, has to be 121 and no foreign carrier is 121 regardless of the type flown.

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I’m a young, 1000hr pilot flying light twins in aerial survey. A close family friend has offered a me a job in Europe in the right seat of a 737. Ignoring the FAA to EASA conversion, would accepting this job hinder a US career? I would expect to fly ~900hrs/yr and stat for 4 or 5 years before moving back to the States. There is a chance of upgrading to captain, but nothing to count on. If I do this and get ~4,000hrs of 737 SIC time, would I be a candidate for a major airline? Direct entry captain to a regional? Or would I need to collect my 1,000 (US) part 121 hours to be eligible for a PIC position

I’m quite ignorant about this topic and would appreciate any input
Maybe I should include my motivations for considering this job....

It would be exciting to live in Europe with an opportunity to do lots of traveling and see more of the world. By living in a low-cost-of-living area I could save significantly more money than I could on a regional salary living in a high COL area. Lastly, jetssssssss
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Well, you won’t be a DEC anywhere in the US 121 operations. Foreign time doesn’t count, has to be 121 and no foreign carrier is 121 regardless of the type flown.

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Thanks for this info. I’ll look for a source to back it up
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Thanks for this info. I’ll look for a source to back it up
Source is 14 CFR 121.436

He is correct. You will not be able to return to the US as a DEC in 121 ops. You need 1000 hours in US 121 or certain other US ops. Foreign time absolutely does not count, that question has been asked and answered by the FAA.

4,000 hours with no PIC would be marginal for US majors, other than third tier, although by the time you get there they might well be hiring those times. If you upgrade overseas, and come back with some TPIC that would make you more competitive.
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Foreign time does not count?
All my foreign time sure counted towards tickets and jobs in th US, a Boeing is a Boeing is a Boeing.
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:52 PM
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None of it counts toward the 1000 hours of 91K, 121 or 135 requirement, and is excluded by regulatory definition.
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Originally Posted by bostonpilot55 View Post
I’m a young, 1000hr pilot flying light twins in aerial survey. A close family friend has offered a me a job in Europe in the right seat of a 737. Ignoring the FAA to EASA conversion, would accepting this job hinder a US career? I would expect to fly ~900hrs/yr and stat for 4 or 5 years before moving back to the States. There is a chance of upgrading to captain, but nothing to count on. If I do this and get ~4,000hrs of 737 SIC time, would I be a candidate for a major airline? Direct entry captain to a regional? Or would I need to collect my 1,000 (US) part 121 hours to be eligible for a PIC position

I’m quite ignorant about this topic and would appreciate any input
Can you get a visa for the country where you'd work?
And it's a 1-1.5 year process to get the EASA fATPL, your career would progress much faster if you just stay in the US.

After 4-5 years and 4000 hours of 737 SIC time, you'd come back and start at the bottom of a regional. You still need your FAA ATP.
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Does this 737 gig in Europe paint their planes with a red nose? That may or may not hinder your career in the US.
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All flight time counts....towards total time.
The details have been answered.
First of all it doesn’t take 1.5 to convert your licenses. Depending on the country you may be able to fly on a validation.
I dont think it’s Norwegian as their hiring requirements are higher.
Anyway I’d really encourage it if you can make it work. Foreign experience is great. Doing 5-6 legs a day flying for Republic domestic USA doesn’t make you the super pilot some of them seem to think.
You’re young, go for it.
Just don’t expect to be hailed home a hero and have the red carpet rolled out at the Majors.
If you do it you do it for yourself and yourself alone.
Go for it.
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