Can pilots have other jobs while flying?
03-06-2019, 09:05 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Meanwhile SKW added a ban on outside flying last year. New policy that nobody knows about states "Pilots owe their professional services to SKW exclusively. Outside flying for any type of compensation or hire must be specifically approved by the Vice President"
But if you're going to do that (outside flying against company) that's risky when moving on to another airline.
1. If you log it, you have to explain why you were violating the rules at your current airline.
2. If you don't log it, are you going to lie on the background and PRIA forms to hide that employment? Might get away with cash under the table part 91 stuff.
03-06-2019, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That was always in the FOM back in the day. I knew plenty of folks who disregarded it after 117.
But if you're going to do that (outside flying against company) that's risky when moving on to another airline.
1. If you log it, you have to explain why you were violating the rules at your current airline.
2. If you don't log it, are you going to lie on the background and PRIA forms to hide that employment? Might get away with cash under the table part 91 stuff.
But if you're going to do that (outside flying against company) that's risky when moving on to another airline.
1. If you log it, you have to explain why you were violating the rules at your current airline.
2. If you don't log it, are you going to lie on the background and PRIA forms to hide that employment? Might get away with cash under the table part 91 stuff.
When I started 3 years ago the FOM stated that pt 91 and flight instruction was okay but that 121/135 and 91k needed approval because of 117 limits. The policy I stated was signed July of 2018
03-09-2019, 02:52 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Unless I’m reading it wrong this LOI states flight instruction IS ‘other commercial flying’
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf
BUT, if you're under the 117 rules, then the only flight time that counts against the limitations are operations for a 121/135/91k operator.
03-09-2019, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Espeechley
I just stated as and FO at a regional airline and I was wondering what other pilots do for extra money.
I’m just seeing what other jobs that pilot have to make extra money while flying. I’m just looking to see what jobs pilots are able to have and how they got into those side jobs.
I’m just seeing what other jobs that pilot have to make extra money while flying. I’m just looking to see what jobs pilots are able to have and how they got into those side jobs.
1. Over guarantee
2. Possibly premium
and
3. Help you build hours more quickly because the goal IS NOT to stay at a low wage regional job as long as possible.
03-09-2019, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
You're only reading half of it. If you're under the 121 rest rules (i.e. cargo) then you're right.
BUT, if you're under the 117 rules, then the only flight time that counts against the limitations are operations for a 121/135/91k operator.
BUT, if you're under the 117 rules, then the only flight time that counts against the limitations are operations for a 121/135/91k operator.
Guess we’re both right.
Me just a little more.
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03-13-2019, 07:24 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by cursesRedBaron
That's what I got out of it.
So, no CFI work, either.
Just best that your 'other job' is outside of a cockpit.
Avoids any FAA rule entanglements.
If you want to 'joy-riding' in the sky, on your own dime...have fun...just don't accept $$ for it.
So, no CFI work, either.
Just best that your 'other job' is outside of a cockpit.
Avoids any FAA rule entanglements.
If you want to 'joy-riding' in the sky, on your own dime...have fun...just don't accept $$ for it.
Now, can I CFI for free and make things work? LOL...
03-19-2019, 07:45 PM
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I believe that Part 135 allows flying on the side, but only Part 91 flying. Part 135 + Part 135 is a no no, and Argus won’t let you be Argus with another company to the best of my knowledge.
I know many Part 135 pilots that have Part 91 side gigs.
But, back to your original question, a LOT of pilots are REALTORs... It’s the toughest mini law exam I ever took, but it helped me get commissions on the sale and purchase of my houses. It’s not a bad gig...
I know many Part 135 pilots that have Part 91 side gigs.
But, back to your original question, a LOT of pilots are REALTORs... It’s the toughest mini law exam I ever took, but it helped me get commissions on the sale and purchase of my houses. It’s not a bad gig...
04-05-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR
I believe that Part 135 allows flying on the side, but only Part 91 flying. Part 135 + Part 135 is a no no, and Argus won’t let you be Argus with another company to the best of my knowledge.
I know many Part 135 pilots that have Part 91 side gigs.
But, back to your original question, a LOT of pilots are REALTORs... It’s the toughest mini law exam I ever took, but it helped me get commissions on the sale and purchase of my houses. It’s not a bad gig...
I know many Part 135 pilots that have Part 91 side gigs.
But, back to your original question, a LOT of pilots are REALTORs... It’s the toughest mini law exam I ever took, but it helped me get commissions on the sale and purchase of my houses. It’s not a bad gig...
04-06-2019, 02:13 AM
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Thats my plan if I do make the transition to commercial flying. Spent 20 years building a law practice so there is no way I would just close the doors, in fact I simply couldn't do it from an economic standpoint. With remote computer access, scanned documents/e-mail and video conference, I could continue to work remotely during down time, of course at a reduced work load. Thankfully my wife is the office manager and I have a paralegal that has been with me for 18 years so I have the backup to try to pull something like this off.
04-08-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinLion
Thats my plan if I do make the transition to commercial flying. Spent 20 years building a law practice so there is no way I would just close the doors, in fact I simply couldn't do it from an economic standpoint. With remote computer access, scanned documents/e-mail and video conference, I could continue to work remotely during down time, of course at a reduced work load. Thankfully my wife is the office manager and I have a paralegal that has been with me for 18 years so I have the backup to try to pull something like this off.
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