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Old 05-09-2019, 02:53 PM
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Hello there major/legacy people. Just wondering since I'm reaching that point.
When it's time to apply for the majors/legacies, do the HR people or whoever screens you, care about what regional are you working for?.
I'm talking about the reputation some regionals have (skywest vs gojet or mesa) for example.
Since I guess I'm gonna expend several years on a regional, I wouldn't want to waste those years.

Any no-no regional? Or any regional that would give those "extra points?. I'm excluding CPP/flows. Not the point of this thread.


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Old 05-09-2019, 04:12 PM
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Officially, no they don't care.

But it is slightly possible that someone in the hiring process has a personal axe to grind. There were some mesa and gojet people on alter-ego lists, and I was aware of a guy at UAL who had previously worked at a regional purchased by skywest and hated them, so he would allegedly sabotage skywest pilots interviewing at UAL. I'm pretty sure they removed that guy.
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Old 05-09-2019, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Officially, no they don't care.

But it is slightly possible that someone in the hiring process has a personal axe to grind. There were some mesa and gojet people on alter-ego lists, and I was aware of a guy at UAL who had previously worked at a regional purchased by skywest and hated them, so he would allegedly sabotage skywest pilots interviewing at UAL. I'm pretty sure they removed that guy.
That skywest-expressjet enmity is something for sure, geez.

So in your opinion Rickair7777, someone from skywest and someone from expressjet, both with same times and similar backgrounds, should have about the same opportunities in the future, without limiting themselves because of their regionals' reputation.
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Nobody gives too hoots. Have you got the experience, and can you interview and fly the sim? That's all you need concern yourself with. Nobody cares where you went to school, if which flavor of regional job you had. It just doesn't matter.

The only point of interest is what you learned from your experience.
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Old 05-09-2019, 11:04 PM
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I agree, and that's what common sense dictates but go figure. I do respect both of you as seasoned APC member, so doubt has been resolved thanks.
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Originally Posted by Erj135dude View Post
That skywest-expressjet enmity is something for sure, geez.

So in your opinion Rickair7777, someone from skywest and someone from expressjet, both with same times and similar backgrounds, should have about the same opportunities in the future, without limiting themselves because of their regionals' reputation.
Yes, that's the reality. Major airlines don't care about regional intramural affairs, and neither do major pilots unless you're on a scab list. I know some XJT pilots would like to fantasize otherwise

Actually I admit that I don't like the alter-ego pilots, since they cost me back in the day. If I were interviewing, I would blackball any of them, but folks of my generation probably won't be in a position to do that until it's too late.

The vast majority of angry lost generation pilots who have made it to the majors are still junior FO's, very few are CA's, and even fewer are involved in interviewing. The older guys are oblivious to it all, and managers don't care. Actually managers do care... they DO NOT want entry-level pilots to be afraid to work for any particular regional. They'll do flow if it's suits their purposes, but they will never "blacklist" any regional pilot group.

I'm talking about applying and interviewing OTS, if you're picking a regional you should consider flow programs of course, but those are contractual, has nothing to do with your "reputation".

Anecdotally though, SWA recruiting really likes Skywest pilots. I was told that by SWA pilots, and also recruited by them (took another job so I could drive to work). I think it's more cultural than anything else. May also be due to having a "critical mass" of OO pilots at SWA... lot's of internal recs.
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Anecdotally though, SWA recruiting really likes Skywest pilots. I was told that by SWA pilots, and also recruited by them (took another job so I could drive to work). I think it's more cultural than anything else. May also be due to having a "critical mass" of OO pilots at SWA... lot's of internal recs.
But, also why there’s lots of F-16 guys, a couple of Space Shuttle guys, etc. there. Internet recs and friends breeds new hires of similar backgrounds.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
unless you're on a scab list.
What's the most common way people get added to the scab list beside the obvious crossing a picket line when there's an organized strike? While jumpseating, make a union comment to the wrong person that could be perceived as anti-union when taken out of context (is it as simple as that)? Or do you have to do something significant like work in management and go against the pilot-group too much?
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What's the most common way people get added to the scab list beside the obvious crossing a picket line when there's an organized strike? While jumpseating, make a union comment to the wrong person that could be perceived as anti-union when taken out of context (is it as simple as that)? Or do you have to do something significant like work in management and go against the pilot-group too much?
What on earth are you talking about?

There's no "list" that keeps track of names with people who badmouth the union; any union.

The word "scab" gets overused and thrown about with a bit too much freedom.

Unions aren't sacred cows about which one may speak no evil. Working in management and "going against the pilot group" doesn't make one a "scab," either.
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Originally Posted by Stoked27 View Post
What's the most common way people get added to the scab list beside the obvious crossing a picket line when there's an organized strike? While jumpseating, make a union comment to the wrong person that could be perceived as anti-union when taken out of context (is it as simple as that)? Or do you have to do something significant like work in management and go against the pilot-group too much?
The scab list is pretty formal, and the ONLY way to get on it is to fly struck work... and that's work which has been designated as struck by a union MEC which has actually been released to strike by the NMB.

Any wildcat strikes, anti-union behavior, regional intra-mural disputes, personality conflicts, etc don't count. That kind of stuff might possibly be held against you if the wrong person happens to be on the interview panel, but that would just be really bad luck on your part. Same as any other industry, be careful about burning bridges or annoying people.
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