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Old 04-26-2019, 09:33 AM   #11  
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You're 21, try to see if an AA wholly owned will hire you. Even with a 9 year flow you'll be doing great at a major by 30
Yeah, that's probably the only path to the bigs. I'm almost certain you'll need to prove yourself at another regional before they'd even consider you. Worth making the jump in your shoes, even after several years at another regional.
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Mesa will hire you, without a doubt.
Actually, no. Even Mesa is starting to get picky about checkride failures.

I agree with the others, pick a regional that is owned by American.
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ATP is notorious for sending students in to check rides when they are not ready
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I too went to ATP and did many of my check rides in FT. Lauderdale with "Pink Slip Pinkston."
He had very easy orals, but would fail you for the slightest infraction during the flight. Needless to say, while working on my Flight Instructor ratings, I got two pink slips. The only thing I could do is distance myself over time from those failures.
Five failures all at the very beginning is unfortunate. You need to understand that you can never again fail anything, and that you aren't going to work at Delta, Fed Ex, UPS, Jet Blue, UA, etc. Distance yourself from the failures, have a decade of zero failures while advancing at a company, and you may get a top tier job. Yes, going to a wholy owned AA regional might be your safest bet, but any more failures will have you doing your plan B.
Almost everyone has a computer firewall for the application process, and it will kick out your resume with five failures, even with two. No chances to explain yourself, no human element that can relate to your story. Sorry man, this can be a very cruel industry to people who aren't established yet.
And it was Mesa that gave me the chance back then to prove myself. That in itself was all that I needed to overcome it. Being real with you though, five failures will be difficult for any 121 or 135 operation to look past. Maybe the corporate world coupled with a decent type rating will be an easier road? I have no idea.
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Sadly, perhaps another case of trying to run a marathon before learning to walk. There’s something to not being in a rush.



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I know a guy at a "top tier" regional with more failures than you have. You'll need to talk to a recruiter to get past the computer screening. For example, AA WO's throw out apps with more than 3.
And have one heck of a story about them. Words like "unfair" "wasn't prepared" should not be in your vocabulary when talking about it.
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I have paid a ton of money to examiners and FLAP (**********g light airplane pilot) schools for my two sons training. I am not enamored with any of them, and that includes ATP, Flight Safety, just to name a few. There are two areas that I think are deficient: 1. Lack of standardization 2. Examiners who are running a tax fraud scam by taking only cash, and tabulating multiple failures to build up their incomes. Fortunately, I only had two of these guys in my career: one for ATP in a Navy N-265 and later a L-24. All of my ratings after that were company designees.
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here we go again

i think i have heard this story before
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You're 21, try to see if an AA wholly owned will hire you. Even with a 9 year flow you'll be doing great at a major by 30
You are asking him to put a lot of faith in a flow program that could disappear tomorrow.
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Five failures all at the very beginning is unfortunate. You need to understand that you can never again fail anything, and that you aren't going to work at Delta, Fed Ex, UPS, Jet Blue, UA, etc. Distance yourself from the failures, have a decade of zero failures while advancing at a company, and you may get a top tier job.

Being real with you though, five failures will be difficult for any 121 or 135 operation to look past. Maybe the corporate world coupled with a decent type rating will be an easier road? I have no idea.
Legacies have hired guys with multiple failures and not all of them were in early stages of training either. There are a few individuals with that many unsats but nothing is impossible, even at the legacy level. Guys with 121 failure(s) are also getting hired at the BIG 3.

I can assure you of that.
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