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Old 08-19-2019, 09:55 AM   #51  
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Specializing in crippling financial debt and multiple failed check rides.
He went to Gulfstream Academy.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:29 PM   #52  
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Serious question for the class.....if given the choice between some choke-artist with 5 failures in the past, and someone with a spotless record, who would you rather entrust your families life to? You donít have all the details about anyone, but the checkrides are all done to the same standard, so who would you choose to keep your family alive while hurling through the atmosphere in a thin-walled aluminum tube several miles above the earth?
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:21 PM   #53  
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It depends. Letís fast forward 5-10 years. Did the guy with the failures just fly the line and go home? Or did he use those years bettering himself, both personally and professionally? Did he volunteer for union positions? Did he volunteer in his community? Did he gain leadership roles in each of those activities? Did he attend safety and professional development seminars and apply them to his flying? Did he earn more type ratings, or get through another initial or upgrade without a hitch? Did he earn airline accolades like Instructor/LCA/CP, etc? Did he earn any awards, from either his company, the FAA, or both? Does he have stellar recommendations from people around him? Does he own up to his failures? And does he have no additional failures since?

If yes, then absolutely, Iíd take the guy with the five failures. Especially if they were at the beginning of his career/primary training.
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Serious question for the class.....if given the choice between some choke-artist with 5 failures in the past, and someone with a spotless record, who would you rather entrust your families life to? You donít have all the details about anyone, but the checkrides are all done to the same standard, so who would you choose to keep your family alive while hurling through the atmosphere in a thin-walled aluminum tube several miles above the earth?
It's not that simple... in general aviation, checkrides are most certainly not done to the same standard so you have to consider the context. That's why I would not place too much emphasis on 1,2 or even 3 busts early in one's career. I would almost completely tune out 1-2 entry level GA busts.

Five busts however is a bit much, even a kid at the entry level should have figured out that he needed to do something different before getting to that point even if it was just getting a new school.

If I was looking at 23 year olds, yeah you'd have to take the one with no busts over five busts.

But if it 43 years olds, and the busts were all at the entry level, I would be more interested in the overall career statistics. Possible the guy with five busts could get the job if he had really shined to the point of proving his ability beyond any doubt.
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Did he volunteer for union positions? Did he volunteer in his community? Did he gain leadership roles in each of those activities? .
Please explain how this has anything to do with anything.
The rest you mentioned yes, this ^^^...
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What if we make all reasonable attempts not to look bad

On Paper.

-don't take check rides before your ready. More specifically, don't go to flight schools that make you follow an arbitrary time frame they cooked up in sales meeting.

-don't go to regional airlines that have not implemented AQP in initial training.

- A DUI means you got caught!

feel free to add to the list

Because how look ON PAPER is the only thing that matters.


It is like they say in football. You are what your record says you are.

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What if we make all reasonable attempts not to look bad

On Paper.

-don't take check rides before your ready. More specifically, don't go to flight schools that make you follow an arbitrary time frame they cooked up in sales meeting.

-don't go to regional airlines that have not implemented AQP in initial training.

- A DUI means you got caught!

feel free to add to the list

Because how look ON PAPER is the only thing that matters.


It is like they say in football. You are what your record says you are.
Noobs, print and frame this, and hang it on your wall. Understand what the airlines want to see... they hold all the cards, and the job they offer will make you a multi-millionaire.

AQP is real nice, but if it's a good training dept I would not commute for an AQP program if you can take a PC and live in base.
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Because how look ON PAPER is the only thing that matters.


It is like they say in football. You are what your record says you are.
A four year college degree (in less than five years) IN ANY MAJOR will mean as much to the computer algorithm as another two type ratings and 1000 more 121 TPIC. Unless itís the Delta algorithm, in which case without the degree you shouldnít even bother...
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All I am going to say is... I have flown with people who Shouldn't even have their licenses in the first place(1 tried taking off with his pitot cover on because he was told to keep them on to cover from bugs.....). If you explain what you did wrong, make an effort to not fail anymore. I believe you will be fine. You are VERY young still. (im 22) I think you will be fine, but that's just my opinion.
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I am looking for some opinions here. I need to explain what happened on my checkride failures (2) to the airline. I remember exactly what happened on the first one, but I cannot for the life of me remember what happened on the second one. It was 2003 when it happened.

I am trying to figure out the best way to word it on the form. I know it was my own damn fault and I take responsibility for it but I am not sure how to write it. Any thoughts?
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