Race and gender in hiring practices.
05-23-2019, 08:40 AM
#81
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
White men are not necessarily disadvantaged.
People from lower socio-economic classes are disadvantaged: due to lack of exposure to aviation at an early age, as well as lack of role models, motivation sources and ... well, money.
To change the filter and muddy the waters by substituting race for economic status in the analysis is a travesty.
People from lower socio-economic classes are disadvantaged: due to lack of exposure to aviation at an early age, as well as lack of role models, motivation sources and ... well, money.
To change the filter and muddy the waters by substituting race for economic status in the analysis is a travesty.
That doesn’t seem to stop people here from complaining about how easy minorities have it in aviation or that they are “displacing” people who should have the job instead.
05-23-2019, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
I’d bet that, even controlling for socioeconomic status, we wouldn’t have a huge hiring preference for non-white and non-male pilots.
It looks like anecdotes work on both sides of this argument.
05-23-2019, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You'd "bet that." Because you just have a feeling?
It looks like anecdotes work on both sides of this argument.
It looks like anecdotes work on both sides of this argument.
05-23-2019, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You'd "bet that." Because you just have a feeling?
It looks like anecdotes work on both sides of this argument.
It looks like anecdotes work on both sides of this argument.
05-23-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
We already have the numbers. Just look at your seniority list and figure out the percentage of women. Then compare that to the FAA database.
How many women even want to be pilots? No one has any access to the data. What’s the percentage of women who start out Day 1 in flight school and make it to a major 10 years later? What’s the percentage of men? Of minorities.
Just because there are fewer doesn’t mean they have a tougher journey.
How many men are beauticians?
05-23-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
People are disputing the hurdles and difficulties various people face.
About 5% of the commercial pilot population in the US is female. That means they should make up about 5% of the applications and 5% of the seniority list. If your company has more than that, then there may be a case for reverse discrimination.
My point is that even in the most extreme cases, we are talking about a dozen more women at one company than one would expect. Yet somehow, those few women are preventing hundreds of men on this site from getting hired at a major.
05-23-2019, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Well then this argument will never be resolved.
About 5% of the commercial pilot population in the US is female. That means they should make up about 5% of the applications and 5% of the seniority list. If your company has more than that, then there may be a case for reverse discrimination.
My point is that even in the most extreme cases, we are talking about a dozen more women at one company than one would expect. Yet somehow, those few women are preventing hundreds of men on this site from getting hired at a major.
About 5% of the commercial pilot population in the US is female. That means they should make up about 5% of the applications and 5% of the seniority list. If your company has more than that, then there may be a case for reverse discrimination.
My point is that even in the most extreme cases, we are talking about a dozen more women at one company than one would expect. Yet somehow, those few women are preventing hundreds of men on this site from getting hired at a major.
Cheers.
05-23-2019, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Well then this argument will never be resolved.
About 5% of the commercial pilot population in the US is female. That means they should make up about 5% of the applications and 5% of the seniority list. If your company has more than that, then there may be a case for reverse discrimination.
My point is that even in the most extreme cases, we are talking about a dozen more women at one company than one would expect. Yet somehow, those few women are preventing hundreds of men on this site from getting hired at a major.
About 5% of the commercial pilot population in the US is female. That means they should make up about 5% of the applications and 5% of the seniority list. If your company has more than that, then there may be a case for reverse discrimination.
My point is that even in the most extreme cases, we are talking about a dozen more women at one company than one would expect. Yet somehow, those few women are preventing hundreds of men on this site from getting hired at a major.
05-23-2019, 01:24 PM
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It has little to do with hurt feelings about displacement.
If someone has achieved their seat in the cockpit because they bought it, or because they're ethnic, or because of their gender, or any reason other than they're well qualified for the position, they become a weak link. Nobody wants to be saddled with a weak link.
If someone has achieved their seat in the cockpit because they bought it, or because they're ethnic, or because of their gender, or any reason other than they're well qualified for the position, they become a weak link. Nobody wants to be saddled with a weak link.
05-23-2019, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
It has little to do with hurt feelings about displacement.
If someone has achieved their seat in the cockpit because they bought it, or because they're ethnic, or because of their gender, or any reason other than they're well qualified for the position, they become a weak link. Nobody wants to be saddled with a weak link.
If someone has achieved their seat in the cockpit because they bought it, or because they're ethnic, or because of their gender, or any reason other than they're well qualified for the position, they become a weak link. Nobody wants to be saddled with a weak link.
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