19 and wants to be a pilot. Many questions.
09-13-2019, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kevbo
There are some academic aspects to being a pilot. Why cant he go to school? If he cant get through the basic classes then maybe look into a maintenance career.
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09-13-2019, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilsung
In this current environment, skip the degree (in basket weaving et al) for now, not forever. Get all money-paying ratings (C, CFI) ASAP. Then, while getting paid to fly as a CFI/Regional pilot, reevaluate if a degree is necessary in the then future environment...
...not having a college degree on a resume for the majors will be a non-issue within 5 years...
...not having a college degree on a resume for the majors will be a non-issue within 5 years...
Like you said, that "requirement" may fade away if pilot shortages turn out to be as dire as predicted. Even so, there's never too much education imho. I have a degree that I've never used (Advertising) but it did help me get my job with one of the major oil companies, where I've been for 25 years.
My son knows that EVERYONE in Operations and Maintenance in my company makes over 100k w/o a degree requirement, so more school and more debt (which I've taught him to loathe, thank you, Dave Ramsey) is sometimes a hard sell for a career making less money (initially). He wants to fly, though, and I'd really prefer he stay out of the oil biz.
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09-13-2019, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
Rick can correct me if I wrong, but it seems as if taking on the role of a ground school or even sim instructor until one reaches at least 1000 TPIC would do more harm than good because being in that roll would not allow you to build hours as quickly as one would otherwise.
But the real fast ticket to the top-tier jobs is LCA or sim instructor, you have to be a CA for the former, and regionals pretty much all require CA (and LCA) experience for the later. If you break into the training department early on (ground or FTD), you'll be on the fast track for LCA once you upgrade. If you're just another face in the pack it can be real hard to get LCA.
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
My systems instructor at my regional has 500 SIC but rarely flies the line. I don’t see how that’s beneficial to getting the time one needs to move on as fast as practical.
But I've known guys who just wanted to be home every night, and fly a jet every now and then. Some of them bypassed upgrade, since many departments won't pay a CA to teach ground.
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
I’d think that a volunteer roll in the safety dept or even a non aviation charity/group etc would be better since you could still fly a lot to build time
09-13-2019, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilsung
In this current environment, skip the degree (in basket weaving et al) for now, not forever. Get all money-paying ratings (C, CFI) ASAP. Then, while getting paid to fly as a CFI/Regional pilot, reevaluate if a degree is necessary in the then future environment...
...not having a college degree on a resume for the majors will be a non-issue within 5 years...
...not having a college degree on a resume for the majors will be a non-issue within 5 years...
The military and university flight programs pump out a ton of pilots with bachelors degrees. The majors will always have plenty of experienced pilots with college degrees. Also most of the big flight Universities have multiple programs that can get you fast tracted to a top tier major. Internships, deltas propel program ect..
Cue the guys preaching about how the numbers don’t lie and this time will be different then the other countless times this same thing has been predicted. Every time this shortage is around the corner something comes out of left field to negate it. Every single time.
In all honesty myself and everyone who went to College loved it and have no regrets about going to a four year college with all the benifits they provide. The guys who usually bemoan degrees, throughout this fictional “underwater basket weaving” major. I feel many are slightly bitter they keep seeing educated pilots get hired before them with usually less time.
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09-14-2019, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
Hahaha guys have been saying this for 20+ years. This industry is cyclical and has a lot of changes but one thing has and will always be a constant. The top aviation jobs will always require a degree for 99% of all pilots. I would most certainly NOT skip getting a degree with the unreasonable expectation that in five years they will drop that requirement.
The military and university flight programs pump out a ton of pilots with bachelors degrees. The majors will always have plenty of experienced pilots with college degrees. Also most of the big flight Universities have multiple programs that can get you fast tracted to a top tier major. Internships, deltas propel program ect..
Cue the guys preaching about how the numbers don’t lie and this time will be different then the other countless times this same thing has been predicted. Every time this shortage is around the corner something comes out of left field to negate it. Every single time.
In all honesty myself and everyone who went to College loved it and have no regrets about going to a four year college with all the benifits they provide. The guys who usually bemoan degrees, throughout this fictional “underwater basket weaving” major. I feel many are slightly bitter they keep seeing educated pilots get hired before them with usually less time.
The military and university flight programs pump out a ton of pilots with bachelors degrees. The majors will always have plenty of experienced pilots with college degrees. Also most of the big flight Universities have multiple programs that can get you fast tracted to a top tier major. Internships, deltas propel program ect..
Cue the guys preaching about how the numbers don’t lie and this time will be different then the other countless times this same thing has been predicted. Every time this shortage is around the corner something comes out of left field to negate it. Every single time.
In all honesty myself and everyone who went to College loved it and have no regrets about going to a four year college with all the benifits they provide. The guys who usually bemoan degrees, throughout this fictional “underwater basket weaving” major. I feel many are slightly bitter they keep seeing educated pilots get hired before them with usually less time.
09-14-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilsung
Even if a degree is still required in 5 years, the fastest way to get there is total immersion & tunnel vision on flight ratings first, then a degree. I think you and I can both agree that without the ratings and airtime, you have a zero chance of getting hired (at any tier) in this industry. There are plenty of online accredited degree programs that one could complete during a five or six year stint at the regionals, during long boring layovers, in order to check off the degree box- but after you have a paid flying job...
Just trying to decide between Thomas Edison State or Utah Valley Univ.....
09-14-2019, 06:06 PM
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And if they have that desire, motivation, and dedication - it could certainly work that way - job first and degree second.
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
09-14-2019, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And if they have that desire, motivation, and dedication - it could certainly work that way - job first and degree second.
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
09-14-2019, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And if they have that desire, motivation, and dedication - it could certainly work that way - job first and degree second.
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
But how many times have you seen it in the military, other jobs, hear it on commercial advertising on-line degrees or one night a week degrees, or in general - LIFE GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BEST LAID PLANS.
Who wants to sit in the hotel room and writes that paper when the crew wants to go to dinner? Who has the time when all of the sudden your move to a new city because your new wife wants to be closer to family because you are gone all the time and that first born baby keeps you up at night - too tired to study for that test.
It is a skill set and mindset.
Some have it, some don’t.
I don’t.
I’ve done one correspondence course.
I could not do a degree on line. I need to be sitting in a class.
I’m lazy. I’m a procrastinator. I’m never miss a deadline, but I can wait till the last minute on something!
