Red Forman

Good grief!

METO Guido

It wouldn't.

I'm going to make some theoretical assumptions for the sake of discussion and my own curiosity. I'm an initial, rating ride candidate who passed the AQP maneuvers validation yesterday. Today my sim training will be complete with a satisfactory line evaluation in real time. I'm pilot flying for this event. I have zero previous experience in jet, line operations. This is also my first exposure to e-flight bags on iPad. The flight plan is to an unfamiliar field and after dealing with a generator failure en route, we're advised to expect a charted visual to a lengthy runway. Field weather is above that required. After two attempts, I'm still unable to perform a stable approach to landing within the touchdown zone. So I state intentions to divert for a now min fuel alternate. Under what circumstances/guidance could that be considered a ride pass?

To the OP. Your notice of disapproval should indicate area(s) to be reexamined. Obtain a copy of all your training records. In this business, documentation rules. Go over everything available, good & bad, with someone who has relevant experience. Compose a narrative. Be real but provide credit for how you'd successfully proven yourself just to get that far and where you believe it unraveled. Pick up the pieces from there, from the perspective of the 'man in the chair.' The lady or guy who can green light a shot at your next paycheck. Would I hire me? Many have tripped along the road. For most of us, that wasn't anywhere close to an end.

GrabPopcorn

My thought exactly. Especially visual approaches. They're the most unstable and improperly done approaches that we do. I'll admit that I also didn't receive to be what I believed was sufficient training on visual approaches yet we were actually trained. They seem like a no-brainer at first, but as someone else pointed out, throw in simulator visuals and it could become a mess.

What airline is this anyway? We've ruled out Mesa.

TiredSoul

A Charted Visual Approach is flown no differently then a VOR/VOR-DME approach with step down fixes.
You’re maybe flying a heading instead of a radial. No difference really.
In any case you should be able to do one without any special training.

Now I’m thinking there’s more here.
An airline is financially vested in you for your training. Failing a type ride is cause for additional training and a re-check and not being given the choice to resign or get fired.
You’ve already mentioned you had used up all simulator events.
It may have been prudent to withdraw prior to the type ride.
Was that suggested at any point?
Im thinking this visual was just the last straw to drop the hammer.
Easy fail for the Examiner.
Am I wrong?

* Again, we’re not here to bash on you.
However....you need to be honest with yourself. This is not a fail because you weren’t trained or because you haven’t flown a jet before.

galaxy flyer

Probably anyone’s FIRST landing is out of a visual approach in a C-172 or Cherokee. Pretty basic, but a jet does add a few wrinkles, when to slow, configuring, getting the 3-degree picture. By the time, you’re at an airline, the visual part should be a given, the jet part trained.

GF

METO Guido

Some valuable info in this thread. Every non-Autoland/HUD approach transitions to visual at some point. Which can get sporty for old salts and noobs alike. Back when operators trained circle procedures, students got additional, fly without help practice, squeezed in the syllabus somewhere. Of course, that's another chance to demo go-around proficiency on rides. There are several, reliable techniques & cross check hacks for maintaining path and alignment in virtual reality without use of a flight director. The good news is, they work out pretty well in the world of no redo's too. I don't envy examiners and check airmen their ink pen nowadays.

captande

Working through this, has me thinking. If this was an airline with AQP then your instructors should’ve known a visual approach was possible. Since the checks are scripted and approved by the FAA and the company.

Failing a checkride and washing out isn’t a game ender. Although how you present yourself, your attitude, and narrative from here forward can be.

TiredSoul

I’m just thinking did you combine an ATP ride with the type rating ?
And the visual approach was part of the ATP portion?

Av8tor0773

I’m curious... what regional?

Avgeek7248

I know a lot of people here say Mesa is a crap hole and it’s got its problems don’t get me wrong but it’s shining light is definitely its training department. They r rally. Work with you to get you through it. Great people here just like most airlines. If you’re like me and restricted from upgrading for two years and till you hit 23 then I’d recommend trying to go to a higher paying regional just so your paycheck is a little better then mine each month. Just some advice you’ll be fine just keep your head up learn from your experience and keep a positive attitude.