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ItnStln 04-29-2020 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ihateusernames (Post 3031473)
I got mine just to add another check box


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That's why I'm doing mine.

ItnStln 04-29-2020 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Spooky (Post 3044689)
Hi everybody, first time posting here. I was curious to see if anyone has any experience with Purdue or ERAU's online aviation related Masters Degree programs. I have looked into each program and I think I would be happy with either one, but I wanted to see if anyone out there can provide feedback on their academic experience and/or the usefulness of the degree in the industry.

I have done my homework on whether a masters degree is worth it or not, and where it should fall within your career progression priorities. I am looking to fly for the airlines once hiring picks up again, and I will be building hours until that happens. Thank you in advance for any feedback, and I hope that everyone is staying safe out there.

Which program were you looking at through Purdue?

Bahamasflyer 04-29-2020 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 3044875)
That's why I'm doing mine.

Seems like a lot of trouble just to check a box when others such as LCA, sim instructor or training department would go a lot further for less effort.

Of course by all means get a masters if you want to study something you are passionate about, but to do it to check a box seems like not a lot of juice for the squeeze, especially when that $10K (more?) would be much better off in a furlough fund in these
crazy times

rickair7777 04-29-2020 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3044956)
Seems like a lot of trouble just to check a box when others such as LCA, sim instructor or training department would go a lot further for less effort.

Of course by all means get a masters if you want to study something you are passionate about, but to do it to check a box seems like not a lot of juice for the squeeze, especially when that $10K (more?) would be much better off in a furlough fund in these
crazy times

If you have the time and money, this is actually a good time to do something like that. If you're still employed, things are going to be pretty stagnant for a while. When hiring resumes, it will be be competitive... first round will be astronauts, then fighter pilots who didn't fly in space, and so on. So best to bank any advantage you can, while you.

But to your point, don't pass up on key aviation tickets like regional LCA for a masters (unless you need the masters for something else).

Bahamasflyer 04-29-2020 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3044988)
If you have the time and money, this is actually a good time to do something like that. If you're still employed, things are going to be pretty stagnant for a while. When hiring resumes, it will be be competitive... first round will be astronauts, then fighter pilots who didn't fly in space, and so on. So best to bank any advantage you can, while you.

But to your point, don't pass up on key aviation tickets like regional LCA for a masters (unless you need the masters for something else).


I’ll be in a world of hurt then for a long time as a fresh ATP at the regionals😡. I’ll have my 4yr deg in late 2021, but wonder if that plus 2000 TPIC will even do me any good 5-6 yrs from now? Not just targeting legacies but all the LCCs too.

Very concerned I’ll be like one of those regional CAs who got stuck similarly in the lost decade. Of course this is changing by the day so I shouldn’t get too much in the weeds.

Grateful I got a seniority number at a regional at least. I’d be on the street if I stayed at my prior 135 job,
not to mention a 2 yr delay getting hired at a regional.

rickair7777 04-29-2020 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3045051)
I’ll be in a world of hurt then for a long time as a fresh ATP at the regionals�. I’ll have my 4yr deg in late 2021, but wonder if that plus 2000 TPIC will even do me any good 5-6 yrs from now? Not just targeting legacies but all the LCCs too.

Very concerned I’ll be like one of those regional CAs who got stuck similarly in the lost decade. Of course this is changing by the day so I shouldn’t get too much in the weeds.

Grateful I got a seniority number at a regional at least. I’d be on the street if I stayed at my prior 135 job,
not to mention a 2 yr delay getting hired at a regional.

Your timing is probably still OK. Retirements will still happen, I'm pretty sure it will all come together in about 3-5 years again. You'll probably be able to get a regional job before then, if you don't get recalled.

Regionals tend to hire/recall before majors. Major unions have tried to put the lid on that with scope, tying RJ fleet size to mainline size, but BK can fix that pretty quickly.

Lost decade was 9/11, SARS, age 65, 2008 recession all put together... age 65 alone was a straight up 5-year hit for anyone who wasn't exactly where they wanted to be.

Spooky 04-30-2020 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 3044882)
Which program were you looking at through Purdue?

I was looking at the MS in Aviation and Aerospace Management at Purdue, and the MS in Aeronautics at ERAU.

ItnStln 04-30-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer (Post 3044956)
Seems like a lot of trouble just to check a box when others such as LCA, sim instructor or training department would go a lot further for less effort.

Of course by all means get a masters if you want to study something you are passionate about, but to do it to check a box seems like not a lot of juice for the squeeze, especially when that $10K (more?) would be much better off in a furlough fund in these
crazy times

Best case scenario it will help me get hired at a major airline and worse case scenario it’s something I could use after I retire from aviation, or as a backup plan. An MBA with management experience should open a lot of doors. Where does a masters cost $10K? That's very cheap.

galaxy flyer 04-30-2020 01:20 PM

An MBA would be worth if you want to pursue a management position at an airline, even if interested in union work. Wright George at EAL got a Harvard MBA while furloughed then worked for the MEC there and later at UAL during the 9/11 BK. Also useful, if airlines don’t work out for a top-flight corporate aviation career. Ya never know what the future holds.

GF

ItnStln 05-02-2020 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Spooky (Post 3045459)
I was looking at the MS in Aviation and Aerospace Management at Purdue, and the MS in Aeronautics at ERAU.

I'm doing my MBA at ERAU, and I can send you the syllabi for what I've taken if you're interested. I started my MBA at my alma mater but transferred to ERAU because it was, surprisingly, cheaper. So far the professors are great, and seem to have worked in the field they're teaching and not career academics.


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