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RunswthScissors 01-02-2024 11:28 PM

Recreated log book from latest 8710 and Flica
 
Hello folks,

I just recreated a lost log book in Logten Pro using my last 8710 (ATP/CL65 type ride) and all of my subsequent flights using Flica flight records. I also have my complete Airman records file from the FAA. The problem is that I don't have my landings, actual instrument and approaches flown. I'm trying to get back after leaving the industry four years ago. What should I put on airlineapps for those numbers? Conservative estimates and then explain in the interview? Is the log book going to be an issue without those totals?

11,000 TSIC - Part 121
Completely clean training record
Left company on great terms

Thanks for any advice

usmc-sgt 01-03-2024 01:26 AM


Originally Posted by RunswthScissors (Post 3745066)
Hello folks,

I just recreated a lost log book in Logten Pro using my last 8710 (ATP/CL65 type ride) and all of my subsequent flights using Flica flight records. I also have my complete Airman records file from the FAA. The problem is that I don't have my landings, actual instrument and approaches flown. I'm trying to get back after leaving the industry four years ago. What should I put on airlineapps for those numbers? Conservative estimates and then explain in the interview? Is the log book going to be an issue without those totals?

11,000 TSIC - Part 121
Completely clean training record
Left company on great terms

Thanks for any advice

Rule of thumb I’ve always been told is IMC is typically 10% of total time. With your TT, no one will question IMC. The last time I recall an airline having IMC mins was NetJets.

I haven’t logged a minute of IMC since maybe 3000 TT

rickair7777 01-03-2024 04:42 AM

Don't put estimates of that nature in your logbook, that's supposed to be fairly factual.

On the applications, you should probably make reasonable, conservative estimates. As usmc-sgt said, they're not going to worry too much about LDGs and conditions of flight given your experience.

If possible, contact airline-specific recruiters in advance before doing that, if anyone asks it would be better to have gotten the OK from the recruiters. But don't sweat it.

RunswthScissors 01-03-2024 09:32 AM

Thanks
 
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

RunswthScissors 01-03-2024 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3745109)
Don't put estimates of that nature in your logbook, that's supposed to be fairly factual.

On the applications, you should probably make reasonable, conservative estimates. As usmc-sgt said, they're not going to worry too much about LDGs and conditions of flight given your experience.

If possible, contact airline-specific recruiters in advance before doing that, if anyone asks it would be better to have gotten the OK from the recruiters. But don't sweat it.

Rickair, thanks for the input. It's appreciated.

RunswthScissors 01-03-2024 03:57 PM

Thank you, usmc-sgt. I thought that might be the case, thank you for replying.

captjns 01-04-2024 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by RunswthScissors (Post 3745066)
Hello folks,

I just recreated a lost log book in Logten Pro using my last 8710 (ATP/CL65 type ride) and all of my subsequent flights using Flica flight records. I also have my complete Airman records file from the FAA. The problem is that I don't have my landings, actual instrument and approaches flown. I'm trying to get back after leaving the industry four years ago. What should I put on airlineapps for those numbers? Conservative estimates and then explain in the interview? Is the log book going to be an issue without those totals?

11,000 TSIC - Part 121
Completely clean training record
Left company on great terms

Thanks for any advice

Ensure the entries ae in compliance with CFR 61.51.

RunswthScissors 01-11-2024 04:13 PM

Should I be worried?
 

Originally Posted by RunswthScissors (Post 3745066)
Hello folks,

I just recreated a lost log book in Logten Pro using my last 8710 (ATP/CL65 type ride) and all of my subsequent flights using Flica flight records. I also have my complete Airman records file from the FAA. The problem is that I don't have my landings, actual instrument and approaches flown. I'm trying to get back after leaving the industry four years ago. What should I put on airlineapps for those numbers? Conservative estimates and then explain in the interview? Is the log book going to be an issue without those totals?

11,000 TSIC - Part 121
Completely clean training record
Left company on great terms

Thanks for any advice

I forgot to ask the most important question of all: Should I expect a rough time about this during interviews? I mean the entire logbook situation in general. Could this be a disqualifier at the legacies and SWA? My recreated logbook starts with my ATP/Type Ride 8710 totals (2013) followed by every leg flown up to the present. I'm going to have it professionally printed and bound, to include all of my 8710's (Private through ATP).

Thanks in advance.

rickair7777 01-12-2024 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by RunswthScissors (Post 3749814)
I forgot to ask the most important question of all: Should I expect a rough time about this during interviews? I mean the entire logbook situation in general. Could this be a disqualifier at the legacies and SWA? My recreated logbook starts with my ATP/Type Ride 8710 totals (2013) followed by every leg flown up to the present. I'm going to have it professionally printed and bound, to include all of my 8710's (Private through ATP).

I doubt it, as long as it all makes sense and you can explain EVERY possible discrepency.

They may ask what happened to your original logbook. Typically they get stolen out of a parked car, usually because they were in a flight bag which looked valuable. That's happened to at least two friends of mine, and it's come up numerous times here on the forums.

I wouldn't tell them that you were too lazy to log your flying. I also wouldn't say that your crazy ex threw it out... the HR ladies will immediately have visions of you involved in domestic violence.


For the noobs, I learned early on that my logbook is either in my close physical possession or locked in a small fire safe which is bolted to the floor in a closet at home. Back in the day not having a complete logbook could easily preclude you from being hired at the top tier, and make it harder to get any job. Not the case today, but if/when the supply/demand balance shifts they might get back to that. Although they have a lot of digital data to fall back on these days.

RunswthScissors 01-13-2024 09:46 AM

Rickair, thanks for the reply, I appreciate it as usual.


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