multi time as dual-received
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multi time as dual-received
I need more multi time to qualify for my regional airline of choice.
The opportunity to right seat in a King Air, flying some legs and receiving instruction from the ATP/MEI pilot is there.
All time I fly as sole manipulator can be logged as PIC time (61.51)
All time I am receiving flight instruction can be logged as flight time, which in this case would be turbine, multi-engine, BE20 flight time.
Will it be inviting problems to present this logged time as meeting the required 100 hrs of multi-engine flight time at my interview?
The opportunity to right seat in a King Air, flying some legs and receiving instruction from the ATP/MEI pilot is there.
All time I fly as sole manipulator can be logged as PIC time (61.51)
All time I am receiving flight instruction can be logged as flight time, which in this case would be turbine, multi-engine, BE20 flight time.
Will it be inviting problems to present this logged time as meeting the required 100 hrs of multi-engine flight time at my interview?
#2
In an interview you can expect to be asked technical questions about all the airplanes you've flown. If you feel comfortable and qualified to act as the Pilot in Command of a King Air (i.e. safely conducting a solo cross country with pax), then log it. Also, can you discuss in detail all the aircraft systems?
If you're not comfortable with either of those, in an interview or not, log it as dual. Sounds like a great opportunity, good luck.
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I need more multi time to qualify for my regional airline of choice.
The opportunity to right seat in a King Air, flying some legs and receiving instruction from the ATP/MEI pilot is there.
Will it be inviting problems to present this logged time as meeting the required 100 hrs of multi-engine flight time at my interview?
The opportunity to right seat in a King Air, flying some legs and receiving instruction from the ATP/MEI pilot is there.
Will it be inviting problems to present this logged time as meeting the required 100 hrs of multi-engine flight time at my interview?
#5
I think max gross is right at 12,500 on the 200, so no type, . As long as you didn't go high enough to need a high altitude endorsment you could log it as dual or PIC however you see fit, but just be smart about it.
#7
The high altitude endorsement has nothing to do with how high you actually fly, it has to do with what the aircraft is certified for. You must have the endorsement to act as PIC of a PRESSURIZED aircraft that has a service ceiling or max operating altitude above 25,000 feel MSL, whichever is lower. Check out 61.31(g). I'm don't know what the King Air 200 is certified for with respect to it's service ceiling or max operating altitude but if it is you must have this endorsement to act as PIC.
#8
Acting PIC and logging PIC are two different things.
You cannot act as PIC in a tailwheel, complex, high altitude, or high performance a/c until you have received training and an endorsement from an authorized instructor.
You can log the time flown before the endorsement as PIC according to part 61. Check out the 61 regs and notice the difference between endorsements and ratings! Hope this helps!
You cannot act as PIC in a tailwheel, complex, high altitude, or high performance a/c until you have received training and an endorsement from an authorized instructor.
You can log the time flown before the endorsement as PIC according to part 61. Check out the 61 regs and notice the difference between endorsements and ratings! Hope this helps!
Last edited by iflyabeech; 01-07-2008 at 07:18 AM. Reason: added a little info!
#9
Acting PIC and logging PIC are two different things.
You cannot act as PIC in a tailwheel, complex, high altitude, or high performance a/c until you have received training and an endorsement from an authorized instructor.
You can log the time flown before the endorsement as PIC according to part 61. Check out the 61 regs and notice the difference between endorsements and ratings! Hope this helps!
You cannot act as PIC in a tailwheel, complex, high altitude, or high performance a/c until you have received training and an endorsement from an authorized instructor.
You can log the time flown before the endorsement as PIC according to part 61. Check out the 61 regs and notice the difference between endorsements and ratings! Hope this helps!
61.51
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;
You must have the endorsement which grants "privileges" to operate the aircraft as PIC. Furthermore, 1.1 states:
Pilot in command means the person who:
(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.
The way I see it, you can't log the PIC time without the high altitude endorsement. Chances are the Feds would say the same thing. Most employers want to see PIC time that falls under the definition in 1.1. You can probably get away with logging under 61.51 sole manipulator for insurance purposes.
Either way the simple answer would be to have the instructor you are flying with give you the required instruction for the high altitude endorsement so then you could log PIC time under 61.51 if you really have to have that "PIC" time in a King Air without being the real PIC. If you need further clarification just ask. Hope this helps!
#10
61.51
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges.
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges.
61.5 Certificates and Ratings listed under this part.
Its not a question of getting away with it. Its legal to log PIC time in this instance referencing 61.51 (e)(1)(i)
We are not talking about acting PIC, only logging. If you reference 61.31 (g) (1), it states that
....no person may act as pilot in command. . . .
Then in FAR 1.1,
Rating means a statement that, as a part of a certificate, sets forth special conditions, privileges, or limitations.
name....is found to be properly qualified to exercise the priviliges of. . . .
Last edited by iflyabeech; 01-07-2008 at 08:38 AM.
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