Failed checkride traceable?
03-06-2008, 07:25 PM
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A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Joepa84
A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.
03-06-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Joepa84
A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.
If this is related to UND that include the following course:
102
325
414
415
416
Anything between that is considered stage check including:
112
101
221
222
323
325 lesson 99 or whatever it is now
The only thing that shows on a PRIA report is what certificates, ratings, and medical you currently hold. Im sure if the company want a detail report they could always get it according to the PRIA specifications.
Always disclose failures. You can get hired if you failed a checkride or two. You wont get hired if you try to hide it.
03-07-2008, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Joepa84
A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.
03-08-2008, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Joepa84
A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.
However...your logbook entries might raise suspicions. Also if you subsequently worked as a CFI at a 141 school where you trained a PRIA request might well return ALL of your 141 training records. The law is not specific about that but if a flight school manager reads the PRIA form he might get the idea that he is supposed to return all training records which he has...I worked at a flight school which did exactly that, and most of their instructors had trained there as students.
Safe answer: Fess up. Avoids problems down the road, and will not likely be a hiring issue unless you have multiple failures (3+).
03-08-2008, 02:30 PM
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I would think that if it is the latest entry in your logbook, it may have some weight to a potential employer. But if it is ancient history, many pages and hours ago in your logbook, or you have held a commercial job since then, and demonstrated your ability by holding a job with another carrier, no one really cares.
I failed my first try at a ppl! I check the box, and dont think much of it. Look at it this way: You can find a way to tell that story in an educational, or enlightening way, and make it work FOR you at an interview. It gives you an opportunity to stop answering questions, and start showing your personality and thought process to your potential employers.
I too wondered what information was included in PRIA, so I checked the box, and requested a copy recently. I'll let you know EXACTLY what I receive in a few weeks. We wont have to speculate. If I forget, PM me.
I failed my first try at a ppl! I check the box, and dont think much of it. Look at it this way: You can find a way to tell that story in an educational, or enlightening way, and make it work FOR you at an interview. It gives you an opportunity to stop answering questions, and start showing your personality and thought process to your potential employers.
I too wondered what information was included in PRIA, so I checked the box, and requested a copy recently. I'll let you know EXACTLY what I receive in a few weeks. We wont have to speculate. If I forget, PM me.
03-08-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse
I recently had an interview and did disclose that I had failed my initial multi com inst. but felt I did a good job of explaining it. Anyway my question is just out of curiosity is there any other way (other than looking a your logbook) that they can find out if you failed a 91 ride?
Yup, if you got a pink slip, it will be on your PRIA records report from our favorite uncle in OKC, which might come back around the time you are sitting in class at that coveted 121 job. Good chance they would pull a guy/gal from class and very publicly fire them for nondisclosure for the failure. Try explaining that one at your next interview (why you only worked for XYZ airline for 3 weeks)
You absolutely did the right thing by disclosing it.
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