Records from the FAA
07-04-2010, 08:45 PM
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Records from the FAA
Has anyone ordered their complete airman records from the FAA?
I ordered mine and I got 2 separate envelopes, first one was medical records which was pretty thorough. It had my medical applications back from 90s.
The second envelope was just a letter stating that I had no accidents/violations. It had my certificate number and didn't even specify the ratings that I am holding. All it stated was: PILOT, CFI and GI.
Has anyone received their complete file that included 8710s? I was curious to find 2 checkrides that I failed in 98.
Is this the same report the Airlines get? Do they get 8710s?
I ordered mine and I got 2 separate envelopes, first one was medical records which was pretty thorough. It had my medical applications back from 90s.
The second envelope was just a letter stating that I had no accidents/violations. It had my certificate number and didn't even specify the ratings that I am holding. All it stated was: PILOT, CFI and GI.
Has anyone received their complete file that included 8710s? I was curious to find 2 checkrides that I failed in 98.
Is this the same report the Airlines get? Do they get 8710s?
07-06-2010, 09:28 AM
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07-06-2010, 07:02 PM
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I ordered my records two years ago and received all of my 8710 forms and a report from AIDS. I did not, however, receive anything pertaining to my medical records. It is my understanding this is the information that goes to airlines during the employment check.
I should also add this point which I discussed in the aviation law section. As far as the AIDS report goes, a pilot can be involved in an accident or incident but it goes off that pilot's record after five years. There is a new policy of automatic expungment if no other events have occured during the five year period.
Maybe the recruiter can answer this question, but are there other ways ailrines can determine if a pilot has been involved in an accident or incident if a pilot doesn't disclose and the five years has passed? All applications I've seen simply mention an accident or incident, none mention the five year period.
With this new FAA policy, it brings up the question as to how that application question should be answered.
I should also add this point which I discussed in the aviation law section. As far as the AIDS report goes, a pilot can be involved in an accident or incident but it goes off that pilot's record after five years. There is a new policy of automatic expungment if no other events have occured during the five year period.
Maybe the recruiter can answer this question, but are there other ways ailrines can determine if a pilot has been involved in an accident or incident if a pilot doesn't disclose and the five years has passed? All applications I've seen simply mention an accident or incident, none mention the five year period.
With this new FAA policy, it brings up the question as to how that application question should be answered.
07-07-2010, 08:04 PM
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I also sent a letter to the FAA after finding the form on FAA.GOV to request my "complete airman file". I printed out the form and mailed it to the address indicated.
About 10 days letter, I also received 2 documents back. In a large manila envelope was all my Medical applications. In a business sized white envelope was a letter similar to the one described in the first post - a "Public Access" inquiry response with my name, PILOT, CFI, and a summary of two distinct areas: 1) Accident and Incident history, and 2) Enforceable Infraction System (EIS) history.
Just sharing what I did and what I received. There were no 8710's sent to me. My uninformed assumption is that information contained within the various reports: (PRIA, FOI- freedom of information act, PA, other FAA files) differs, and I'd love to hear facts about what is contained in which. Are PRIA's just for industry and airlines? I've not been able to obtain my own PRIA- just my own PA. Are 8710's contained in the PRIA? Does anyone know if an airman can obtain a PRIA?
About 10 days letter, I also received 2 documents back. In a large manila envelope was all my Medical applications. In a business sized white envelope was a letter similar to the one described in the first post - a "Public Access" inquiry response with my name, PILOT, CFI, and a summary of two distinct areas: 1) Accident and Incident history, and 2) Enforceable Infraction System (EIS) history.
Just sharing what I did and what I received. There were no 8710's sent to me. My uninformed assumption is that information contained within the various reports: (PRIA, FOI- freedom of information act, PA, other FAA files) differs, and I'd love to hear facts about what is contained in which. Are PRIA's just for industry and airlines? I've not been able to obtain my own PRIA- just my own PA. Are 8710's contained in the PRIA? Does anyone know if an airman can obtain a PRIA?
07-15-2010, 10:11 AM
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PRIA (Pilot Records Improvement Act) was created specifically for the industry/airlines. It applies to all U.S. commercial air carriers or U.S. air operators that transport passengers. You can obtain a copy of what is sent to an airline when you sign the release form for that airline to request the records. It specifically addresses two types of records: 1. Training records from previous employers and 2. FAA records. To my knowledge 8710s are not included in the employer request. But you can request them for your own personal use. Likewise, the employer does not receive your entire medical record, only a summary page. This may have changed in the past few years, but I honestly doubt it.
On the FAA website there is a Word document which covers what information is provided through which type of request (PRIA, FOIA, PA) You can find it here: PRIA Guidance
Yes, there are other ways to determine if someone has been involved in an accident or incident which has been filed. An NTSB query Aviation Accident Database Query or the FAA ASIAS Home And please don't forget a little thing called Google - you'd be amazed at what someone can find, albeit it can be a tedious task to wade through all the non-pertinent stuff.
How you answer an application question is really very straightforward - answer it exactly as asked. If the question states "ever" then you need to disclose "any." If it states in the past five or ten years, then answer it accordingly. Folks, the reason for asking these types of questions, or any "dirty laundry" type questions is really very simple - it's about accountability. There are plenty of people who have gone on with successful flying careers even though they have an accident or incident in their past.
Just to address what Whacker said: "I should also add this point which I discussed in the aviation law section. As far as the AIDS report goes, a pilot can be involved in an accident or incident but it goes off that pilot's record after five years. There is a new policy of automatic expungment if no other events have occured during the five year period."
This is mostly true. To clarify, it's important to note if no other events have occurred - if another event occurs then not only does the original offense stand but the second offense compounds the first and can therefore give the FAA the right to take action based on both. Also, after the requisite period of time, although the record is "cleared" from view it is ALWAYS viewable to anyone inside the FAA. Just an FYI.
Hope this helps!
Lori
On the FAA website there is a Word document which covers what information is provided through which type of request (PRIA, FOIA, PA) You can find it here: PRIA Guidance
Yes, there are other ways to determine if someone has been involved in an accident or incident which has been filed. An NTSB query Aviation Accident Database Query or the FAA ASIAS Home And please don't forget a little thing called Google - you'd be amazed at what someone can find, albeit it can be a tedious task to wade through all the non-pertinent stuff.
How you answer an application question is really very straightforward - answer it exactly as asked. If the question states "ever" then you need to disclose "any." If it states in the past five or ten years, then answer it accordingly. Folks, the reason for asking these types of questions, or any "dirty laundry" type questions is really very simple - it's about accountability. There are plenty of people who have gone on with successful flying careers even though they have an accident or incident in their past.
Just to address what Whacker said: "I should also add this point which I discussed in the aviation law section. As far as the AIDS report goes, a pilot can be involved in an accident or incident but it goes off that pilot's record after five years. There is a new policy of automatic expungment if no other events have occured during the five year period."
This is mostly true. To clarify, it's important to note if no other events have occurred - if another event occurs then not only does the original offense stand but the second offense compounds the first and can therefore give the FAA the right to take action based on both. Also, after the requisite period of time, although the record is "cleared" from view it is ALWAYS viewable to anyone inside the FAA. Just an FYI.
Hope this helps!
Lori
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