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Bonehead Move?(checked box Suspended License)
Hello all... I posted this in the jetcareers forum as well but I just wanted to get your folks opinion.
Ive been trying and trying to get hired at a decent regional. Ive been following the industry for quite awhile and now that things are looking up a bit I am excited to possibly get hired. My qualifications are: 1610 TT 250 ME 1100 turbine (caravan), IFR current, ATP written, current 135 freight job etc etc.. almost done with the 4 year degree. Well over the past few weeks or so Ive been following AE and decided that I would really like to work there.. especially with the reduced upgrade time. So i kept updating my times daily on airline apps but I hadn't heard anything. Ive seen that guys with less time than I have been hired and interviewed so its a bit frustrating. I dont know anyone there so its just me trying to put out a good name for myself. So this morning I got on the ball and updated my times on airline apps, updated and freshened up a resume and cover letter and sent an email directly to HR. During the airline apps update I decided to be as honest as I could and I checked the box "have you ever had any licenses suspended/revoked". I never checked it before because I didnt think the medical license applied to that. But being the honest guy I am i reconsidered it and went ahead and checked that box. I couldnt obtain a medical from 2002 to 2006 and explained this in the box provided. Now not an hour later I get a rejection letter from airline apps. I am guessing that this is why I received this letter. It wasnt from AE human resources. I was bummed and I thought that maybe the email I had sent to directly to HR caused them to look at my application. It didnt dawn on me that maybe it was the box I checked this morning regarding the license suspension that shot out the automated email. What are your guys thoughts on this? It says I cannot reapply for 6 months. Oh, and I sent an email just a minute ago back to HR explaining what I though happened. Maybe they will look at it and take pity on me. Thanks for hearing me vent. |
A medical isn't a license.....you only give information that they're asking for..they weren't asking for that...hopefully HR will see that email..but they're pretty busy
good luck..try again in 6 month WITHOUT checking that box..the medical isn't what they're looking for..they're looking for pilot certificates. Besides...you couldn't obtain a medical..meaning you tried to renew and they didn't do it? so it was never TAKEN from you in the first place!!!! |
Originally Posted by andy171773
(Post 910219)
A medical isn't a license.....you only give information that they're asking for..they weren't asking for that...hopefully HR will see that email..but they're pretty busy
good luck..try again in 6 month WITHOUT checking that box..the medical isn't what they're looking for..they're looking for pilot certificates. Besides...you couldn't obtain a medical..meaning you tried to renew and they didn't do it? so it was never TAKEN from you in the first place!!!! |
def a bonehead move
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I would reapply and then I would use this to your advantage. Email, phone call, etc... and be as polite and forthcoming as you can. Explain that you are very interested in getting on there but somehow entered some information wrong that kicked you out of the pool. good luck.
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Try again in 6 months
Aviation rarely sticks to the plan. HR are processing hundreds of resumes. All it takes is for one small glitch to kick you out.
Finish your degree. Build time and try someplace else. Skyhigh |
This is Jesus's way of saying you should not go to AE.
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 910281)
This is Jesus's way of saying you should not go to AE.
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
(Post 910216)
Hello all... I posted this in the jetcareers forum as well but I just wanted to get your folks opinion.
Ive been trying and trying to get hired at a decent regional. Ive been following the industry for quite awhile and now that things are looking up a bit I am excited to possibly get hired. My qualifications are: 1610 TT 250 ME 1100 turbine (caravan), IFR current, ATP written, current 135 freight job etc etc.. almost done with the 4 year degree. Well over the past few weeks or so Ive been following AE and decided that I would really like to work there.. especially with the reduced upgrade time. So i kept updating my times daily on airline apps but I hadn't heard anything. Ive seen that guys with less time than I have been hired and interviewed so its a bit frustrating. I dont know anyone there so its just me trying to put out a good name for myself. So this morning I got on the ball and updated my times on airline apps, updated and freshened up a resume and cover letter and sent an email directly to HR. During the airline apps update I decided to be as honest as I could and I checked the box "have you ever had any licenses suspended/revoked". I never checked it before because I didnt think the medical license applied to that. But being the honest guy I am i reconsidered it and went ahead and checked that box. I couldnt obtain a medical from 2002 to 2006 and explained this in the box provided. Now not an hour later I get a rejection letter from airline apps. I am guessing that this is why I received this letter. It wasnt from AE human resources. I was bummed and I thought that maybe the email I had sent to directly to HR caused them to look at my application. It didnt dawn on me that maybe it was the box I checked this morning regarding the license suspension that shot out the automated email. What are your guys thoughts on this? It says I cannot reapply for 6 months. Oh, and I sent an email just a minute ago back to HR explaining what I though happened. Maybe they will look at it and take pity on me. Thanks for hearing me vent. |
What constitutes a reduced upgrade time at AE?
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 910309)
What constitutes a reduced upgrade time at AE?
Similar to, say, ExpressJet. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 910299)
I believe you did indeed make an error on the application. It's my understanding that applies to a pilots or driver's license and not denial of a medical certificate. If you currently hold a valid 1st class medical certificate and have never had your pilots or drivers license suspended or revoked, they should give you another look and at the very least remove the six-month restriction on reapplication.
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
(Post 910216)
Ive been trying and trying to get hired at a decent regional. |
From 10 to what looks like approaching 4 years, last vacancy had Nov 2005 upgrades I believe. Embraer 145, CRJ700 and ATR are all under 6 years now.
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
(Post 910290)
oh really? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
(Post 910370)
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Well as ex-AE, I can say that AE is a great place to be ...... FROM. I would suppose that reduced upgrade equals 9 to 10 years.
If you really like to fly with grumpy old farts that are bitter 'cause they didn't get hired at United in the 80s, then AE ORD is the place for you. <Disclaimer: Only about 40% of the guys I flew with were grumpy old farts /Disclaimer> The TWA and Flow-back guys were awesome to fly with and offered up a lot of experience. FWIW, you are probably better off. Soon you will get an opportunity to go elsewhere. |
Originally Posted by Vampire
(Post 910501)
FWIW, you are probably better off. Soon you will get an opportunity to go elsewhere. |
Current upgrade times are not necessarily a good way to decide where you want to go. Go somewhere that, if you were to NOT upgrade, it would be a tolerable quality of life (work/reserve rules, guaranteed days off, health benefits, etc.).
Ask any ExpressJet pilot who got hired in 2006, when the upgrade time was an anticipated eighteen MONTHS, how their career expectations have changed. Fortunately XJT had a fantastic quality of life going (for a regional) for several years; it's been on the decline for many months now. No regrets for me, but I would suggest that you choose your poison based on other, more conservative criteria. |
Originally Posted by antbar01
(Post 910729)
Current upgrade times are not necessarily a good way to decide where you want to go. Go somewhere that, if you were to NOT upgrade, it would be a tolerable quality of life (work/reserve rules, guaranteed days off, health benefits, etc.).
Ask any ExpressJet pilot who got hired in 2006, when the upgrade time was an anticipated eighteen MONTHS, how their career expectations have changed. Fortunately XJT had a fantastic quality of life going (for a regional) for several years; it's been on the decline for many months now. No regrets for me, but I would suggest that you choose your poison based on other, more conservative criteria. |
Originally Posted by antbar01
(Post 910729)
Current upgrade times are not necessarily a good way to decide where you want to go. Go somewhere that, if you were to NOT upgrade, it would be a tolerable quality of life (work/reserve rules, guaranteed days off, health benefits, etc.).
Ask any ExpressJet pilot who got hired in 2006, when the upgrade time was an anticipated eighteen MONTHS, how their career expectations have changed. Fortunately XJT had a fantastic quality of life going (for a regional) for several years; it's been on the decline for many months now. No regrets for me, but I would suggest that you choose your poison based on other, more conservative criteria. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 910309)
What constitutes a reduced upgrade time at AE?
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Hey now...it's down to five!!!
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Getting back to the OP, definitely a bonehead move. That's not what they meant!!!
May be a blessing in disguise though. Beagle still ain't the best place to be. Try applying to ASA. |
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
(Post 911431)
Getting back to the OP, definitely a bonehead move. That's not what they meant!!!
May be a blessing in disguise though. Beagle still ain't the best place to be. Try applying to ASA. I shall be patient awhile longer.:) |
I can't speak to your current rejection letter. I am honestly not sure what happened. That sounds a little odd. It could honestly be either of those, or it could have been random timing. I'm sure you are one of a thousand applying for that same job. However, as someone who has been in many interviews and hired many pilots in my life, I would say one thing red flagged me on your post.
Originally Posted by FSUpilot
(Post 910216)
almost done with the 4 year degree.
Good luck finishing your degree. I am sure it will help you a lot in the interview process. |
Originally Posted by FSUpilot
(Post 911708)
I have... and skywest, and air whisky. All my friends are at colgan (dont want to work there), and republic. Seems like only walkins are getting calls at the moment.
I shall be patient awhile longer.:) |
Contact airline apps directly and see if they will release your application back to you so that can correct this error. Explain the situation, that you mistook the license block to include the medical as well and that you would like to update it to reflect the correct information. Having a current letter from the FAA showing no revocations/suspensions might help. Offer to send them a copy if that would help. You can get this by logging on to the FAA website. If you haven't done this before, you will need to register.
Good luck |
call the recruiting office directly
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FSU Pilot-
In my opinion, you're not going to get this cleared up through emails and calling. However, I don't think you should give up. You have not indicated, and I am assuming that you don't have a current employee on the inside to vouch for you. If you do, this person will need to make a personal trip to their office on your behalf. If you don't know anyone on the inside, all hope is not lost. What you'll need to do is attend MORE than one job fair that they will be at within the next few months. That way, you get face time with an HR representative. Be candid and open about your mistake. Also explain to them how much you want this job, and that you traveled all this way just to talk to them. I am willing to bet they'll take another look at you. Best of luck! Z |
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