Cargo Man

Where does your friend want to work and live? What is he currently doing?

TransMach

I can hardly believe there is anyone in the business with this record. If so, if it's true, he's hosed ...

TransMach

hc0fitted

Thanks for the feedback. It does look pretty grim for him right now. I hope for his sake that you guys are right, and maybe if there is a hiring boom anything like 2007 he will be able to squeeze in for his sake. It sucks for him I know he doesn't want to be a CFI for the rest of his life.

Cubdriver

Lighten up guys! He does sound pretty slow out of the gate with 3 busts and a DUI, but Hurricane Carter spent 19 years in jail on an overturned murder conviction and was later awarded an honorary middle-weight boxing championship. Not the best example I agree, but let's not judge the book by the cover. He could be a flight instructor or check hauler.

Grumble

You get one sheet of paper, your resume, to sell your self to a Cheif Pilot or employer. While any one of these instances, could POSSIBLY be over looked after some time had elapsed.... all 4 of them, and I'm tossing that resume straight in the urinal. Sure you could be a great pseron, but all I see there is 1.) can't fly and 2.) poor desicions skills. Those two in combination... look out.

Cubdriver

Well the DUI will eventually go away in ten or fifteen years for all practical purposes IF there are no more, and IF there is a long record of safe flying (3-6 thousand hours) then the 3 busts are going to be inconsequential to anyone who has half a brain because he has proof he is reasonably capable and safe. By the time he has several thousand safe operating hours he could play down the 3 busts as being a slow learner and it should work. That would be his best strategy. Of course any automated application system will throw him out until the end of time with 3 busts, unless there is a serious pilot shortage, but the question in my mind is how is he going to gain 3 thousand flying hours with a resume like this to begin with? Very difficult proposition. Flight instruction, pipeline, banner tow, a crap ton of bad jobs no doubt about that. If he still wants to fly after all that and has no violations on his bill then he deserves another chance in my view. He could become a hobby pilot for most of it and in 15 years give it another try. Just my .02 from where I am.

mmaviator

I don't speak for everyone but I don't care how many hours he has.....a checkride is a checkride. In the airlines/corp business he will be looking at doing more checkrides so he's batting at 50%(pvt/inst/com/multi/cfi/cfii) which isn't that good at all. If some how does some freight dawging or some other job with a eval/checkride and passes them all then soon or later getting into the airline/corp world won't be as hard as it is for him now.

Just my .00000002 cents

rickair7777

I think the point was that if gets his act together and has a PERFECT track record with 135 and/or 91 type rides, then after thousands of hours and a number of checkrides on large, complex, turbine equipment his entry-level history might be overshadowed. But there are still those who think that what you did at age 19 is the true reflection of your soul or whatever, so he might still encounter resistance in some quarters.

Cubdriver

I can't remember if the OP said all which rides this pilot failed or how many times per ride. But I do not think the instructor rides are weighed equally with the basic pilot rides. The initial instructor ride has a notorious failure rate, while there are no published numbers most put it over 70% and some put it as high as 95% in certain regions. To say a pilot passed 4 out of 4 and is therefore better than a pilot who passed 4 out of 5 with the fifth being an initial instructor ride is not correct analysis. Don't make me get out the Venn diagrams on Friday afternoon. But the odds are against you on the instructor rides. My guess is the airlines account for that (Rick?). If this pilot passed all the pilot rides yet can't teach worth a damn then he may still be a pretty good pilot as long as he does not try to teach.

Cruz5350

I hope so my busts were a result of initial rides on the CFII and I still didn't finish I finally had to give up because I can't afford another one on my record for fear of not getting hired one day.