Should I list Traffic tickets more than 10 yr
 

Yeah that's the Question..

Should I list the traffic tickets which are more than 10 yrs old.

I am filling my airline apps & I just got my DMV printout yesterday from the califonia DMV for 10 yrs & it shows 2 tickets from the year 2000, citation dates June 2000 & July 2000, conviction dates on 08/17/2000.

I have another speeding ticket from 05/2007 with a conviction date of 08/2007.

I know people have said that U need to take a certified copy of the driving history to the interview.

Now my question is, do I need to mention the 2 tickets from year 2000 in the airline apps or should I limit my voilation/citations to 10 yrs history, even though the DMV prinout shows the 2 tickets from year 2000.

Pls advise

I wouldn't give them more then they ask for. 10 years to the date. The NDR request won't show tickets earlier then that.

The NDR doesn't show speeding tickets.

Follow their directions to the letter. Period.

Bring backup paperwork on anything else to the interview but don't pull it out unless asked.

What I am wondering what should I mention in the Airline apps, leave the tickets more than 10 yr old completely out,

I am going to the DMV again today to ask them to FIX it......

As chief pilot I have seen many background checks that have all kinds of tickets on them. Who told you NDRs don't show tickets?

Point of Order
 

I have seen numerous reports on pilot applicants from the NDR with speeding convictions.

G'Luck on That Mate:)

From The National Driver Registry | OFFICIAL Forms Website - Home

"Here are three things you NEED to know about the National Driver Registery and your records that will save you both time and frustration!

1. The National Driver Register only provides you with the State or States that have your records and the status of your driver license.

2. The National Driver Register does not have the content of the records. Only your name, Date of Birth and the States in which you have had your license revoked or suspended.

3. You must have the State records to regain your driving privileges.

What does this mean? This means that in addition to your National Driver Registry record, you will need to obtain your state driving record in order to know why your license has been revoked or suspended."

From National Driver Register | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)...

"NDR is a computerized database of information about drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs. State motor vehicle agencies provide NDR with the names of individuals who have lost their privileges or who have been convicted of a serious traffic violation."

If a background check reveals a speeding ticket, the source of the information was not the National Driver Register.

And then any background company out there takes that report and gets your driving records from the state that you have a license in. It's all part of the process of hiring a pilot. So the moral of the story is NDR = state license check = traffic tickets revealed from your past looking at any other way is ignorant to the spirit of the process. The point if this story is that filling out your NDR form gives the background company the ability to get your state driving information and when the results of the background checks come back your tickets will be on there. It's cause and affect.

I think its important to understand the NDR doesn't keep records of speeding tickets. When posting on these forums, its important to post accurately. To state that the NDR shows speeding tickets is not accurate.

I also think it is important to give proper information on these forums and to think that the information you reveal on your NDR will not be used to conduct a state drivers license history is just misinformation, of the 50 plus pilots I have hired over the years not one of them came back without a state driving record and not one of these pilots ever filled out a request for a state driving record. Once again CAUSE AND AFFECT. The bottom line is employers will find out about tickets thanks to the information you provide on your NDR. Anyone with chief pilot or director of operations experience would know this.

Fair enough, but the fact remains the same. Speeding tickets are not part of your NDR file. Anyone with Chief Pilot or DO experience should be aware of this. In fact, it would be wise for any pilot to be aware of this. That's why I chose to point out the error in your original post. Only trying to help those that view these forums. There are instances when your NDR file may be accessed, but not your driving record. For example, an application for your medical.

I got a ticket for speeding in September of 1998 and spent a painful evening at traffic school because of it. Amazingly, I had forgotten all about until I read this thread. Without any nefarious intentions, I never mentioned it on the applications I filled out recently. Should I go back and add it to the application on airlineapps.com?

First of all, speeding tickets in most states are removed from your public records if you attend traffic school. You can go to your DMV and ask for a copy of your driving record and it will show you what is on your record. If for some reason it wasn't removed I would be honest with your potential employer. If you don't think that the information you provide on your NDR will be used to get a state driving record From a background check you will be in for a big surprise. Don't believe the misinformation that AKasha is feeding this post. I have over five years of Chief Pilot experience and I have hired over 50 pilots over the years, I can tell you they will find out from the information that is required of you to be filled out for any commercial carrier. If you want the job be honest if you don't want the job then go ahead and believe the misinformation from this post.

I fully agree with you & That's exactly what my question is regarding the airline apps........

How long do we go back & list the Trafiic tickets/Voilations in the Airline Apps, the question reagrding citations/voilations does not mention any specific years, Is it 5 yrs, 10 yrs or eversince one got his licence...

2nd question, how long of a driving record does Eagle want to see ??

I worked at Eagle from 1997 thru 1999. I was so young that I only had 7 years of driving experience and I told them about a ticket that I had and I still got the job. To be safe I would tell them about the last ten years.

If you believe that the NDR keeps records of your speeding tickets, I urge you to get a copy of your NDR file and see for yourself that this is not the case. Knowledge is power. Why not find out first-hand exactly what the National Driver Register has on you? It's free. Here's how do to it....

"You are entitled, under the provisions of the Privacy Act, to request a file search to see if you have a record on the NDR. As a private citizen, you must send a notarized letter commonly referred to as a “privacy act request” to the NDR indicating that you would like an NDR file check. Individuals should send their request to the National Driver Register, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20590. Please include in your request your full legal name, DOB, State and Driver License Number, Sex, Height, Weight, and Eye Color (your social security number is optional). There is no charge for this service."

The NDR does not keep a record of your speeding tickets.

I have seen too many of these background checks on pilots to waste my time with sending away for it. Speeding tickets come back on background checks period end!! The information you provide on the NDR is used by the background check company to attain this information. I just confirmed this with my contacts at NADA. Akasha please stop providing pilots with false hopes that speeding tickets won't be seen as part of their background checks, because that is just wrong!!

OK, correct me if I am getting it wrong ...
AKASHA is saying is NDR doesn't have any record of tickets.
CLIMBTO450 is saying the info that one provides on the NDR, the back ground check companies use that info & pull your records, what one tells them & what one doesn't, all comes out..

So, all that is fine.....

The question is if one gets a speeding ticket, goes to court & that ticket is dismissed & judge finds NOT GULITY, then that ticket is not a ticket.....

or still it needs to be disclosed........

2nd thing, if one gets a ticket & goes to court, the judge finds gulity & allows a traffic school (AS ALLOWED IN CALIFORNIA), that ticket will not show on DMV print out of driving record, that ticket has been corrected.....

Do we have to disclose that ticket as well & does that corrected ticket , for which traffic school or defensive driving school, has been taken & what is not on DMV record,
Will that show on the background check as well........

THAT is the million dollar question........

No, in California particularly you can attend traffic school and it will delete it from your public record or any record that an employer may see. I don't know if that same rule applies in every state. It is up to you if you want tell a potential employer about it but they will not find out. I have had a similar experience but from the employers perspective. The pilot told me about a speeding ticket and mentioned that he attended traffic school and it did not show up on his California state driving record.

Thank U Sir, this clarification is a big help........ Now one less thing to worry about....

Does a ticket for holding your cell phone count? I got one back in 2008 the day after the law was put into effect here in CA. Also, a long story that I'll keep short. Once had a detective walk up to me in a bank parking lot saying he saw me cross a yellow line, issued me a moving violation. The weird part is that it took absolutely forever to get anything in the mail and then when I did go to court on the initial day when it's just "role call", the Judge immediately dismissed it without me even challenging. In my mind, that verified the fact that ticket was bogus to start with. So, would that be something to list? It wasn't really a ticket, still couldn't even tell you what it was for. But, would that show up?

Just a few posts above, Climbto450 clarified & summed in very clear words for a lot of us guys from California.....
If it is not on your DMV print out, it is not there, just get a DMV printout for $5.00 & that's it....

I recomend that you go to the DMV and get a copy of your driving record. Whatever shows up I would fess up in your interview, if they hear it from you with a resonable explanation it should have little to no bearing on the interview. If they find out during the course of a background check and you didn't fess up you probably won't get the job.

I've had a couple of speeding tickets, one in FL and one in TX. I want to disclose them but it was a long time ago (5-6years). And I took the class to correct them, so in theory they won't show up on my DMVs. I will get the one for TX and FL. The question is if I can't find them, how do I disclose them if I don't know the dates when they occured?

im getting ready to retire from the military soon and I want to look up my driving record to make sure my applications are accurate. I have lived in 7 states over the past 20 years and always maintained my drivers license from my home state of record. My question is, do I have to contact each state I lived in to get my driving record or just the state in which I hold my drivers license? I know I have a couple tickets, but I can't remember when or where. Funny how my TS clearance doesn't even require this level of detail.

It's about time....to beat a dead horse...but what the heck...

I got a ticket in Dec 99" and went to traffic school. I called my DMV to ask about getting a Certified Court copy of my driving record. The lady was way cool on the phone. She said:

"I can't disclose your driving record over the phone. I suggest you order a copy of your driving record for $3 and take it with you to your future employer, because there is nothing to be ashamed about on this record...if you catch my drift". ....ahh relief!!

My state DMV only keeps records for 5 or 10 years depending on the infraction. I will probably just disclose the ticket anyway, but if my state DMV says my record is clean....does that mean the NDR would have nothing either??

Yes, they will. The date and the offense will be displayed, and noted "Adjudication Withheld". Get a copy of your driving record for all states where you've held a license.


The NDR does not keep a record of simple speeding tickets.

Right, except the fact that the NDR doesn't list violations; only those who have had their license suspended and/or revoked. Otherwise your name isn't on it. I find it amazing how very few pilots know this.

At the risk of sounding like a d!ck, I find it amazing how very few people understand that actually obeying the rules prevents you from ever getting tickets. This has worked well for me for more than 25 years now, and if I was hiring pilots, I would consider this to be an indicator for respect for and willingness to adhere to rules, essential behavior for a pilot. Unfortunately I don't hire pilots, so my clean record only makes me just another loser.

No. It's actually very fortunate.

Dude...seriously?? Yes, we are all very fortunate then, that you DO NOT hire pilots! My record has been clean for 12 years. I made some bad driving choices when I was 16-20....can't change that now! But I decided to, grow up...go to college and join the USAF. I'm damn certain that those tickets have NOT been an "indicator of respect for the rules" in my career...as an Officer or aviator!

....25 years is a nice streak btw....for a 50 yr old!!