Duksrule

Looking at the different airlines that require X time and Y ME time, is it ME PIC or do you also count those hours of ME time when you were getting the rating, Safety pilot etc...?

Here is a paste from AE's site (Total fixed wing of 800 hours, multi-engine fixed wing time of 100 hours and 250 PIC is preferred.) It doesn't look like it asks for ME PIC specifically just and overal PIC number of 250.

Not trying to start a debate over low time, crappy jobs or anything else. Just wondering if it is total time or PIC time. Or does it depend on the airline? I don't think I have seen one that states a ME PIC requirment just overall PIC requirments.

rickair7777

They don't specify ME PIC...sometimes they get candidates who are 121 SIC's making a lateral move. Lot's of ME, but most of it SIC. If you got ME SIC as part of a professional flight crew you are good.

However...if you have a lot of sketchy part 91 ME SIC or dual received, they might question that.

AZpilot

I have a question while this thread is alive.

My friend and I are both CFI & MEI. We each bought a 10 hour block of ME time. Is it considered ok for me to log the ME time as both PIC and dual received and have my friend sign my logbook? Would an airline find that shady? I could say it's going towards my ATP or something right?

Thanks

rickair7777

Logged dual (either received or given) must be towards a legit training objective. These would reasonably include...

- Cert or Rating
- Club Checkout
- Insurance Requirement
- Currency
- Proficiency
- Aircraft Fam
- Area Fam
- Route Fam

You could justify this using almost any of these depending on whether you already have any time in the make and model.

But there are two gotchas...

1. It has to be reasonable. Ten hours might be for fam in a light twin, but 100 hours would not (maybe in an F/A-18). One round trip is reasonable for route fam, maybe two in difficult terrain. 50 round trips is not reasonable.

2. Two CFI's can't just trade off giving each other dual on the same airplane...if your qualified to teach, you don't need any dual received. If you really need the dual, you are not qualified to teach. Think about how that's going to look in your logbook.


Exception to #2 might be hood work...instrument time is always good training and you can do that all you want and legitimately take turns as CFII because use of the hood necessitates a CFII or SP in the other seat.

AZpilot

Thank you for the quick response. My ME time, except for the ~8 hours I have logged with this block have been in a Baron and Seminole. The aircraft my friend and I rent is a Seneca so I guess this could count as aircraft familiarity since he had 5+ hours as PIC in a Seneca.

We also do night XC to different locations (mountain areas, over to SoCal, etc.) so it could also fall under route familiarity right?

We haven't traded off giving dual given, just him giving me the dual instruction.

USMCFLYR

Now wait a minute rickair
People only got around 8-10 FAM hours in the Hornet (with about 1.2-1.5 of that being the solo).
I think you accidentally added a 0 in there

USMCFLYR

rickair7777

Yeah that's reasonable as long you don't trade dual which would totally invalidate the Fam concept.

rickair7777

8-10 hours at the FRS? Huh???

USMCFLYR

FAM = Familiarization - the first stage of training. learning how to takeoff, land, and basically fly between Pt A-B.
Are you talking about TOTAL hours coming out of training?

USMCFLYR

rickair7777

Fam in Ga usually means aircraft checkout, whatever it takes to turn you loose in one.

For F-18 I was thinking about the whole program. mixed terminology.