UPT time and Unqualified time
 

For the purposes of Total Time and PIC time...

• Does the time spent in primary training (e.g. USAF Undergraduate Pilot Training) count towards Total Time?
• Does the time spent getting qualified to even fly an airplane count towards Total Time? For example, you graduate UPT, then you spend some time getting qualified to fly KC-135's. You are an "unqualified pilot" until you take your copilot checkride. Does that training period count?

Obviously these aren't PIC times, but I wonder if they will count towards Total Time?

Thanks

Yes, it all counts towards total.

agree... when you have your spreadsheet just subtract your UPT time and list it as such... don't get wrapped into playing games for 200 hours... i've seen a couple buddies lose job offers because they tried to count it as PIC.

Any stick time is total time as long as you were rated in the airplane, getting instruction, or solo.

Solo time is also PIC, even if you are not yet rated.

But individual airlines often have specific requirements for how they want to see your time presented...read and heed. If you need to err, be on the conservative side. Nobody will complain if you fail to log a little time you might have been entitled to.

What "counts"????

It depends on who's counting. The FAA has certain rules on what counts, but they don't matter, unless you are trying to get hired by the FAA.

Most aviation organizations only accept PIC time when you sign for the aircraft (NOT student/solo time). Various organizations accept various kinds of time, and often have them broken down in various ways.

For example, some places do not accept military time at all. Others let you add a specific amount of time per sortie, or let you multiply you mil time by a certain factor (x 1.3, for example).

Some places want your times broken down into P1 (PIC), P1US (PIC under supervision), P2 (SIC), P3 (cruise relief pilot), etc. Some want PIC day/PIC night, P1US day/P1 US night, P2 day/P2 night, etc.

The bottom line: Use a digital logbook, which will make it 10+ times easier to organize and separate your time. And, keep it backed up in a variety of modes, including emailing the file to yourself, so it is on a server and not just in your home on a drive.

Many of the airlines "time grids" are very, very complicated, and anything you can do to make it easier to break down your time to fit in to the grids is VERY helpful.

cliff
YYZ

I can tell you that they are pretty standard in their requirements for any professional aviation job.

All...the old argument about who *signs* for the jet if you are solo. My name was on the A sheet.

US or foreign? Can you give details?

USMCFLYR

I have heard of foriegn airlines who require a certain amount of previous 121 (or equivalent) time. They want pilots who have a baseline experience in the airline world.

I wouldn't say they don't count mil time, but yuo will not get hired straight out of the military. Basically they hire airline pilots. US (and most other) airlines hire pilots and then train them to be airline pilots.

Also certain US fractionals set their total time requirements so high that a typical taciar guy won't qualify without some afdditional flying somewhere.

The Japan contract jobs typically don't allow any mil time to count. Emirates used to not allow mil time, but now does, BUT, you have to have 1000 hrs civilian airline experience to qualify, and then you mil experience can count above that.

Every organization has their specific quirks, so that is why I recommend some type of electronic logbook...to make it easier to fit your time into the specific requirements of the organization you are applying to.

cliff
YYZ