Master logbook looks like a trainwreck
#1
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Master logbook looks like a trainwreck
My main master logbook is messed up (book #3). I have the master logbook and I have one those pocket size crew logs. I put off transferring the entries from the pocket crew into the master log.
So my master log now has neat entries, a bunch of helicopter training pages filled. I then transferred all the entries from the pocket crew log into the master log. I was in a hurry and the newly transferred entries show sloppy handwriting and have dated entries before the helicopter training but appear after about 6 pages of heli work.
I may be looking for a 121 job down the road and I recently purchased the book from this website on landing an airline job. The book scared the ****** out of me on how it is so easy to ruin your chances at the interview. I see my possible options as –
1) Do nothing and present a sloppy logbook.
2) Buy a new master logbook and re-enter all the entries ( I do leg by leg) in proper date order.
The problem I see with option #1 is I am applying for a professional position and I am showing some sloppy recordkeeping.
For #2 will I need to present the sloppy logbook, it does have helicopter endorsements and the heli training does have the CFI signature for each training flight. How do I handle CFI signatures in a recreated logbook? I also have some instrument sims sessions given by CFII’s but I don’t have their signatures and I did not need that time for any currency requirements.
So my master log now has neat entries, a bunch of helicopter training pages filled. I then transferred all the entries from the pocket crew log into the master log. I was in a hurry and the newly transferred entries show sloppy handwriting and have dated entries before the helicopter training but appear after about 6 pages of heli work.
I may be looking for a 121 job down the road and I recently purchased the book from this website on landing an airline job. The book scared the ****** out of me on how it is so easy to ruin your chances at the interview. I see my possible options as –
1) Do nothing and present a sloppy logbook.
2) Buy a new master logbook and re-enter all the entries ( I do leg by leg) in proper date order.
The problem I see with option #1 is I am applying for a professional position and I am showing some sloppy recordkeeping.
For #2 will I need to present the sloppy logbook, it does have helicopter endorsements and the heli training does have the CFI signature for each training flight. How do I handle CFI signatures in a recreated logbook? I also have some instrument sims sessions given by CFII’s but I don’t have their signatures and I did not need that time for any currency requirements.
#4
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Didactic Synthetic Aviation Experience Provider
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As others have already stated, two words will solve your problem: Electronic logbook. In this day and age, I amazed anyone still keeps a paper one.
I switched 15 years ago, it's been one of the better decisions I've made. I went back to day one and entered every flight, it took a couple weeks of spending a couple hours a night doing the entries, but it's well worth it.
I've also scanned and converted all of my endorsements, check rides, etc. to PDF's. I email those and a back-up copy of my logbook file to a hotmail account periodically and I have an off-site backup if anything ever happens to my originals or my laptop. Simple and free.
I switched 15 years ago, it's been one of the better decisions I've made. I went back to day one and entered every flight, it took a couple weeks of spending a couple hours a night doing the entries, but it's well worth it.
I've also scanned and converted all of my endorsements, check rides, etc. to PDF's. I email those and a back-up copy of my logbook file to a hotmail account periodically and I have an off-site backup if anything ever happens to my originals or my laptop. Simple and free.
#5
I bought LogTen Pro (apple product users only btw), and it's the best thing for a pilot since top raman. You have everything you want at your fingertips. 8710, done. Over 100 styles of different logbook types, Jeppesen, ASA, military logs, flights per month, flights per year, you can create a smart group which tells you how many hours in any entry you put in. For Example, a lot of applications ask for flight time per 30, 60, 90 days, 6 months, 12 months, etc... Make a smart group and it tells you faster than you can open your paper logbook to the last page. Also, if you update it daily it'll keep track of your 121 regs automatically programmed in. 30 in 7, 100 in 30, 1000 in 12mo, etc...
#6
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I too use LogTenPro on a Mac. Have used it consistently for 1.5 years when I filled up my last paper logbook.
Have to say their tech support is good but sad to say I've needed it (tech support) as much as I have. It is truly the quirkiest program running on my Mac. Crashes, locking up, 'sees' the iPhone but won't sync the data from my last trip....
Does a neat job of displaying the 30 in 7 and the other "smart groups". Application wants to know 121 time for the last 12 months. Easy. 745.6 hours. Instrument currency, easy-48 days remaining.
The night time calculation is really neat too, just enter the departure city, the arrival city, times for each end of the flight (Z or local) and it calculates as per all that "civil twilight" nonsense how much of the flight was in the dark. Literally in the dark, not figuratively, which describes me most of the time......
Have to say their tech support is good but sad to say I've needed it (tech support) as much as I have. It is truly the quirkiest program running on my Mac. Crashes, locking up, 'sees' the iPhone but won't sync the data from my last trip....
Does a neat job of displaying the 30 in 7 and the other "smart groups". Application wants to know 121 time for the last 12 months. Easy. 745.6 hours. Instrument currency, easy-48 days remaining.
The night time calculation is really neat too, just enter the departure city, the arrival city, times for each end of the flight (Z or local) and it calculates as per all that "civil twilight" nonsense how much of the flight was in the dark. Literally in the dark, not figuratively, which describes me most of the time......
#7
LogTen Pro. iPhone and Mac. I input my flights each night of the trip on the phone and sync with my laptop when I get home. I email my logbook to myself each month for backup.
It's truly the best thing I've ever purchased for this career. I love the smart groups and have a bunch of them programmed for different things. I have a programming background, so setup for me was super easy, but I can see it could be a learning curve to get the program initially configured with what you want, but once you do, it's awesome! If you need an 8710, it spills one out for you. If you need to compile your times for AirlineApps, it has a form that spills that all out too in an instant. It really makes your life easier. You'll thank us later!
It's truly the best thing I've ever purchased for this career. I love the smart groups and have a bunch of them programmed for different things. I have a programming background, so setup for me was super easy, but I can see it could be a learning curve to get the program initially configured with what you want, but once you do, it's awesome! If you need an 8710, it spills one out for you. If you need to compile your times for AirlineApps, it has a form that spills that all out too in an instant. It really makes your life easier. You'll thank us later!
#9
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Joined APC: May 2012
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LogTen Pro. iPhone and Mac. I input my flights each night of the trip on the phone and sync with my laptop when I get home. I email my logbook to myself each month for backup.
It's truly the best thing I've ever purchased for this career. I love the smart groups and have a bunch of them programmed for different things. I have a programming background, so setup for me was super easy, but I can see it could be a learning curve to get the program initially configured with what you want, but once you do, it's awesome! If you need an 8710, it spills one out for you. If you need to compile your times for AirlineApps, it has a form that spills that all out too in an instant. It really makes your life easier. You'll thank us later!
It's truly the best thing I've ever purchased for this career. I love the smart groups and have a bunch of them programmed for different things. I have a programming background, so setup for me was super easy, but I can see it could be a learning curve to get the program initially configured with what you want, but once you do, it's awesome! If you need an 8710, it spills one out for you. If you need to compile your times for AirlineApps, it has a form that spills that all out too in an instant. It really makes your life easier. You'll thank us later!
#10
I recently purchased Log ten pro for my mac. I love it so far, but I would agree that there is a learning curve involved. It will take me awhile to get all my time caught up. I have an iPhone but haven't downloaded the app yet. I'm not sure if there is way to get the iPhone app for free or if you must pay for it. Would you happen to know?
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