Options with out a 4 year degree.
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Many pilots just can not afford to finance both a degree and flight training, some have to decide on either or until they make enough as a Captain to pay for college out of pocket. I just think its ridiculous that a pilot with a History degree or something non relevant has the leading edge over a non degree pilot that has quality experience flying mainline passengers operating in the same environment as its major partners. I think companies need to focus more on the individual than anything else.
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Nothing personal Joeymeatballs.
I'm not advocating to hire dummies, just to give good people a fair shot at a good career when their personal circumstances are not as rich as others.
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Many pilots just can not afford to finance both a degree and flight training, some have to decide on either or until they make enough as a Captain to pay for college out of pocket. I just think its ridiculous that a pilot with a History degree or something non relevant has the leading edge over a non degree pilot that has quality experience flying mainline passengers operating in the same environment as its major partners. I think companies need to focus more on the individual than anything else.
Many pilots have found a way to get their degree through sacrifice and due diligence. Diversity in an airline is a positive thing in my opinion and facilitates problem solving "outside of the box". In today's hiring climate there is an abundance of folks that "has quality experience flying mainline passengers...". OBTW, one of the best pilots I ever flew with was a History major, be careful not to judge a book by it's cover.
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Many pilots have found a way to get their degree through sacrifice and due diligence. Diversity in an airline is a positive thing in my opinion and facilitates problem solving "outside of the box". In today's hiring climate there is an abundance of folks that "has quality experience flying mainline passengers...". OBTW, one of the best pilots I ever flew with was a History major, be careful not to judge a book by it's cover.
Not looking for an argument, I just feel once you've proven yourself through good airmanship and reputation, a degree should only be an added bonus, not the deal breaker.
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Concierge for the 1% ?
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I got in, 2 year aviation degree only. Had quite a bit of time though. About 7000 tt with 3000 on transport jets . Just keep plugging away. And yes get your degree online, at least work toward it. Looks good during interview.
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I agree with your due diligence as I am in the same boat working hard to obtain my qualifications. This is exactly what my point is with your History major pilot, that degree had no influence of how he operated as a pilot and yet he was one of the best. Same applies to good, hard working pilots that don't have a degree.
Not looking for an argument, I just feel once you've proven yourself through good airmanship and reputation, a degree should only be an added bonus, not the deal breaker.
Not looking for an argument, I just feel once you've proven yourself through good airmanship and reputation, a degree should only be an added bonus, not the deal breaker.
Hopefully the context of my opinion did not come off as argumentative, rather I was merely pointing out a different perspective based on your POV. I can certainly understand your frustration and you make some valid points. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your POV), in a competitive market things like a 4-yr degree, Masters degree, Type ratings, ETOPS experience, glass experience, on and on become "weed-out" tools. After an airline I worked for went bankrupt I was very surprised that one of the companies I applied to on-line wanted to know my High School GPA?? It is what it is...
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