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SkyHigh 07-30-2013 05:38 PM

Consider the future
 
Open letter:

In the last few weeks we have had two accidents that could be attributed to simple pilot error. I believe that we are in transition between a fully automated flight environment and a partial manual flown flight environment. The hazard is that hand flying skills will fade in the presence of heavy automation and lead to increased accidents.

It will become evident that we have moved passed a time where hand flying is a viable flight condition and into an era where full automation will become the normal situation.

If you are in your twenties you will see the advent of artificial intelligence and ground control in the flight deck. As pilots we will be reduced to monitoring elements whose primary function is to serve as emergency back up. Wages, job satisfaction, and working conditions will continue to fall to a point just above flight attendant. All the while you are investing the cost of a starter house to become trained and educated.

Think about it. The sun is setting.

Skyhigh

Busdrivr 07-30-2013 07:16 PM

Consider the future.
 
So, which airline are you a manager for?

HercDriver130 07-31-2013 02:52 AM

He is the CA of and the manager of a Cessna 152.......... the industry left he years ago.... Pilot "error"...has always been and will continue to be the leading cause of accidents in the modern era.

yimke 07-31-2013 06:11 AM

Reality check.. this already exists. A/P on except during landing. Which BOTH of these accidents occurred during. The most critical phase of flight.

Cubdriver 07-31-2013 06:25 AM

As usual Sky, you make some valid or partially valid points about aviation, and then make the crucial error of spinning it beyond any sort of plausibility. Stick to the facts! You'll get better mileage. Glad things are going well for you and the boys these days.

Hilltopper89 07-31-2013 08:46 AM

Quite possibly the most bitter guy on the internets.

Jato 07-31-2013 09:31 AM

Sad out look, when you go the way your talking, this happens,
With no vested interest in living, you put your UAV in a hold over the FAF and wait for someone to run over you..... With your tcas off, of course. You can't program airmanship.

A UAV Drone Versus a C-130 in-a Mid-Air Collision - We All Know Who Gained But More Programming Needed - Wiki LinkLivre

biigD 07-31-2013 12:53 PM

He made the exact same post on this thread:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/le...ml#post1454500

Just another trolling post from our resident pilot that couldn't hack it professionally. I have no problem with some healthy pessimism, but this guy obviously only does it to make himself feel better about his decision to leave the industry.

HercDriver130 07-31-2013 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1455089)
He made the exact same post on this thread:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/le...ml#post1454500

Just another trolling post from our resident pilot that couldn't hack it professionally. I have no problem with some healthy pessimism, but this guy obviously only does it to make himself feel better about his decision to leave the industry.

+1..........

SkyHigh 08-02-2013 08:27 AM

Save this thread
 
Save this thread and look back in ten years at what this eccentric bitter internet troll had to say in regards to predicting the future of aviation. By then however you most likely will have moved on to other careers. (or wish you had ;))

The bottom line is that legions of MBA's at the airlines are diligently working everyday to figure out how to reduce their costs. Pilots have to become cheaper than computers if they wish to remain employed.

Crashes lately have been solidly in the human error category. Eventually the weak link will be removed or minimized from the equation. Wages and working conditions will continue to suffer. Those of us who are 45 plus should escape the worst of it but if you are in your 20's you can rest assured that transport category planes will be fully automated in 20 years.

Cordially;

Skyhigh

Elvis90 08-02-2013 08:59 AM

Skyhigh, why don't you do some "proof of concept" testing. Buy an unmanned vehicle operated by yourself, place your wife & kids in it, and fly them between to major airports. Then report back to us your results.

SkyHigh 08-03-2013 07:20 AM

Someday
 

Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1456139)
Skyhigh, why don't you do some "proof of concept" testing. Buy an unmanned vehicle operated by yourself, place your wife & kids in it, and fly them between to major airports. Then report back to us your results.

I do not have the skills to accomplish that however when the day comes that fully automated airliners are in use I will happily fly with my family places secure in the knowledge that some disinterested hung over 20 year old is not at the helm.

Skyhigh

Elvis90 08-03-2013 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1456579)
I do not have the skills to accomplish that however when the day comes that fully automated airliners are in use I will happily fly with my family places secure in the knowledge that some disinterested hung over 20 year old is not at the helm.

Skyhigh

As you said you do not have the skills or expertise to do this, therefore it is presumptuous of you to assume it will ever happen.

JamesNoBrakes 08-03-2013 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1456588)
As you said you do not have the skills or expertise to do this, therefore it is presumptuous of you to assume it will ever happen.

Buran.....

Red Forman 08-03-2013 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by SkyHigh (Post 1456579)
I do not have the skills to accomplish that however when the day comes that fully automated airliners are in use I will happily fly with my family places secure in the knowledge that some disinterested hung over 20 year old is not at the helm.

Skyhigh

But it's ok if the disinterested hung over 20 year old is flying your family from the ground via a computer? Besides, when have you ever been on an airline where both people up front were 20 years old? Were you at their hotel and see them drinking to know they were hung over? God help your family, mine will never step foot on a plane without someone up front.

People might take you a little more seriously if you weren't so dramatic and pull things out of your backside to make up a false and emotional argument. Are you ever going to grow up?

80ktsClamp 08-03-2013 09:25 PM

As a result of this and other things you won't read about, we're actually seeing more emphasis being placed on hand flying. So close though, Sky. ;)

cencal83406 08-04-2013 04:20 AM

I can tell that Skyhigh isn't a computer nerd.

Assignment 1: google Race conditions, with special emphasis on medical devices

Assignment 2: realize that human error in the cockpit can be replaced by human error by a ground based UAV operator. It can also be replaced by human error in the programming of the system.

Even Apple machines can get viruses.

Red Forman 08-04-2013 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1456921)
I can tell that Skyhigh isn't a computer nerd.

Assignment 1: google Race conditions, with special emphasis on medical devices

Assignment 2: realize that human error in the cockpit can be replaced by human error by a ground based UAV operator. It can also be replaced by human error in the programming of the system.

Even Apple machines can get viruses.

You are wrong! According to Sky, there will be no more pilots in 20 years because every airplane will be fully automated by that time. After all, he is the expert in the field which he doesn't work in and hasn't for a very long time.

It makes sense that Boeing and Airbus will be going from two man airplanes to fully automated airplanes so quickly.:rolleyes:


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