Career Killer (DUI)?
04-19-2014, 09:38 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
I think you're still missing the point that screening is not a one dimensional thing. And I don't have the time or energy to explain the concept except to say its good you don't do screening/hiring.
04-20-2014, 06:43 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by ArcherDvr
I can tell you for sure that one of the DUIs was fairly recent, as was the termination. I'm not talking about some old timer with DUI's from a distant past.
If you have serious background issues (but can still barely qualify for a SIDA badge) mesa is probably your best 121 option...but don't wait too long, they only welcome all comers when they get desperate for pilots every seven years or so.
04-20-2014, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by anima
My son just started in a Flight Sciences degree at a US university. He has wanted to be an airline pilot since he was 4, it's all he has ever talked about.
2 weeks before he went off to go to college, he was arrested for DUI. His BAC was 0.054, legal still for an adult but not a minor (anything over 0.02), they also charged him with Minor in Possession.
We have a lawyer and it is working its way through the system, they recently suspended his auto licence for 30 days and he will have to have an interlock on his car for the next year. The DUI stuff is still pending. We intend to fight the DUI, the MIP he absolutely deserves.
So my question is.... what are his prospects now? Is this a career killer before he even graduates?
How will this affect his license? (not to mention his scholarship) if we can't clear the DUI. Could he get on with a major airline? Should we also get an aviation lawyer?
I really feel bad for him, we were all 18 once, back in my day the cops would have just poured the booze out and marched us home for my dad to deal with. I can't believe his dream could be over already.
Thanks,
Jeff
2 weeks before he went off to go to college, he was arrested for DUI. His BAC was 0.054, legal still for an adult but not a minor (anything over 0.02), they also charged him with Minor in Possession.
We have a lawyer and it is working its way through the system, they recently suspended his auto licence for 30 days and he will have to have an interlock on his car for the next year. The DUI stuff is still pending. We intend to fight the DUI, the MIP he absolutely deserves.
So my question is.... what are his prospects now? Is this a career killer before he even graduates?
How will this affect his license? (not to mention his scholarship) if we can't clear the DUI. Could he get on with a major airline? Should we also get an aviation lawyer?
I really feel bad for him, we were all 18 once, back in my day the cops would have just poured the booze out and marched us home for my dad to deal with. I can't believe his dream could be over already.
Thanks,
Jeff
04-20-2014, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Hey, this is completely true. One might turn their life around after 2 DUIs or whatever. It would require a closer look at their life, how they've turned it around, and so on.
The problem is, no one can afford to do that. Just like we can't afford to run 250hr pilots through a battery of tests to find that there are some that are just as capable as 5000hr jet pilots.
It all sounds nice on paper, but reality is cold and hard and we have ensured that such things are "showstoppers" in our society, even if you are not "that way" anymore.
The problem is, no one can afford to do that. Just like we can't afford to run 250hr pilots through a battery of tests to find that there are some that are just as capable as 5000hr jet pilots.
It all sounds nice on paper, but reality is cold and hard and we have ensured that such things are "showstoppers" in our society, even if you are not "that way" anymore.
Additionally our "society" (if you can call it that) is so messed up I don't try to use its norms as a proverbial yardstick.
09-08-2021, 12:25 PM
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It has been a long time, but some follow-up on this thread... my son attended universty and graduated summa cum laude, he flew aerial tours for a summer, then got on with a charter company and was able to fly corporate jets for a few years - it was an awesome opportunity and experience from a great and very understanding company, after that he got on with one of the US domestic regional arilines and is now working his way to captain. His goal is still to fly with one of the big boys someday and I am sure he will, but due to some good advice that I got on this forum and a very helpful phone call with a Delta career counselor at the start of it all he has been very successful and this little episode has not impacted his career in a negative way.... that being said, it was a very eye-opening event for him (and us his parents) and I think he has come out the other side a much more mature, capable, and safer pilot. He kept his nose clean in college, studied hard, graduated at the top of his class, built a strong network of mentors, and most importantly he became good at telling his story, honestly and openly. I am so proud of him, I tell everyone, and I mean everyone that my son is an airline pilot and even though I haven't been on one of his flights yet, I do look forwad to critiquing his landing some day, from a passenger's experience. :-)
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09-08-2021, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by anima
It has been a long time, but some follow-up on this thread... my son attended universty and graduated summa cum laude, he flew aerial tours for a summer, then got on with a charter company and was able to fly corporate jets for a few years - it was an awesome opportunity and experience from a great and very understanding company, after that he got on with one of the US domestic regional arilines and is now working his way to captain. His goal is still to fly with one of the big boys someday and I am sure he will, but due to some good advice that I got on this forum and a very helpful phone call with a Delta career counselor at the start of it all he has been very successful and this little episode has not impacted his career in a negative way.... that being said, it was a very eye-opening event for him (and us his parents) and I think he has come out the other side a much more mature, capable, and safer pilot. He kept his nose clean in college, studied hard, graduated at the top of his class, built a strong network of mentors, and most importantly he became good at tellig his story, honestly and openly. I am so proud of him, I tell everyone, and I mean everyone that my son is an airline pilot and even though I haven't been on one of his flights yet, I do look forwad to critiquing his landing some day, from a passenger's expereince. :-)
09-15-2021, 05:37 AM
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Congratulations on a smooth landing..
Congratulations to your son for persevering despite a hard hit early in his career. While there is a lot of negativity and even questionable, snide comments and advice here and every other forum, most people here want to help and cheer those in need of good advice on. I am so happy to hear that he overcame his one indiscretion and went on to be a great example to others to never give up. As a pilot who helps with recruiting, I love to hear a comeback story like this from a candidate and I firmly believe in second chances.
Like a previous poster said, we hardly hear the outcome of a poster’s dilemma; We really appreciate your update here.
Thanks,
Like a previous poster said, we hardly hear the outcome of a poster’s dilemma; We really appreciate your update here.
Thanks,
09-16-2021, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by anima
It has been a long time, but some follow-up on this thread... my son attended universty and graduated summa cum laude, he flew aerial tours for a summer, then got on with a charter company and was able to fly corporate jets for a few years - it was an awesome opportunity and experience from a great and very understanding company, after that he got on with one of the US domestic regional arilines and is now working his way to captain. His goal is still to fly with one of the big boys someday and I am sure he will, but due to some good advice that I got on this forum and a very helpful phone call with a Delta career counselor at the start of it all he has been very successful and this little episode has not impacted his career in a negative way.... that being said, it was a very eye-opening event for him (and us his parents) and I think he has come out the other side a much more mature, capable, and safer pilot. He kept his nose clean in college, studied hard, graduated at the top of his class, built a strong network of mentors, and most importantly he became good at telling his story, honestly and openly. I am so proud of him, I tell everyone, and I mean everyone that my son is an airline pilot and even though I haven't been on one of his flights yet, I do look forwad to critiquing his landing some day, from a passenger's experience. :-)
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