Checkride Failures
01-12-2014, 04:20 PM
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Checkride Failures
Hello everyone,
Very excited I decided to join this forum after months of reading very informative discussions on all levels. I would like to hear from people regarding the issue of failing checkrides and getting hired in the airline. I , Back in 2008 took my Commercial and failed in soft field landing and power of 180. I made the big mistake of not flying during the time of my endorsement to the actual day of check ride ( 22 days). mainly because of lack of money, but that another story. The reason of the long time between was some conflicting schedule and the DP getting sick as far I can remember. The second failure was on my initial CFI, went to FSDO to do ground in 2009 and failed because unable to explain property the landing gear of my plane. I was told per the FAA, need to work in teaching techniques. The flight portion was fine. Last week, I decide to do my CFII I decide to take my checkride and ground was excellent according to my DP and flight was good until coming back to the final approach were I messed up with the approach course and when I realized of the mistake was too late
...I am going back soon and hope to pass this only part of my check.
I would like to hear some feedback and experiences of someone with a similar experience. I've always wanted to work for an legacy airline, but it will not kill me if I don't. In fact there are some airlines that I would love to work that are not the "Legacy", such as jetblue.
Nonetheless, having three failures seems to be a big NO NO for some airlines.
Thanks
1980AZ
Very excited I decided to join this forum after months of reading very informative discussions on all levels. I would like to hear from people regarding the issue of failing checkrides and getting hired in the airline. I , Back in 2008 took my Commercial and failed in soft field landing and power of 180. I made the big mistake of not flying during the time of my endorsement to the actual day of check ride ( 22 days). mainly because of lack of money, but that another story. The reason of the long time between was some conflicting schedule and the DP getting sick as far I can remember. The second failure was on my initial CFI, went to FSDO to do ground in 2009 and failed because unable to explain property the landing gear of my plane. I was told per the FAA, need to work in teaching techniques. The flight portion was fine. Last week, I decide to do my CFII I decide to take my checkride and ground was excellent according to my DP and flight was good until coming back to the final approach were I messed up with the approach course and when I realized of the mistake was too late
...I am going back soon and hope to pass this only part of my check. I would like to hear some feedback and experiences of someone with a similar experience. I've always wanted to work for an legacy airline, but it will not kill me if I don't. In fact there are some airlines that I would love to work that are not the "Legacy", such as jetblue.
Nonetheless, having three failures seems to be a big NO NO for some airlines.
Thanks
1980AZ
01-13-2014, 06:07 AM
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We have had tons of threads on this subject- use the search function at the upper left to find them. The subject has not changed a lot over the years, although leniency has increased a bit lately.
As the above post says, instructor busts are not counted as heavily as normal check events. From my experience with regionals, most airlines count them as extra credit. Teaching certs are not required to fly airliners and many successful pilots do not have them. Some FSDOs have terrible pass rates. If you busted one or more, disclose it and tell what you learned. Never make excuses.
The other check events enjoy less leniency. One failure is ok with most airlines, two is pushing it, three is really pushing it. Four, forget airlines until you establish a strong flying record somewhere else. The oversupply of pilots over the years has pushed the standard for failures pretty high and some airlines still want a spotless record. Eagle had a policy of accepting NO failures of any kind, even traffic tickets- but I think they relaxed it to allow one or two last year.
As the above post says, instructor busts are not counted as heavily as normal check events. From my experience with regionals, most airlines count them as extra credit. Teaching certs are not required to fly airliners and many successful pilots do not have them. Some FSDOs have terrible pass rates. If you busted one or more, disclose it and tell what you learned. Never make excuses.
The other check events enjoy less leniency. One failure is ok with most airlines, two is pushing it, three is really pushing it. Four, forget airlines until you establish a strong flying record somewhere else. The oversupply of pilots over the years has pushed the standard for failures pretty high and some airlines still want a spotless record. Eagle had a policy of accepting NO failures of any kind, even traffic tickets- but I think they relaxed it to allow one or two last year.
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