PB2000

Hello

I was wondering, when filling out the application and in the application says" Have you withdrawn or failed to successfully complete any part 135 or part 121 training course" are they referring only to flight operation or non flying training too? For example if you failed and got released from a gate agent training for an airline do you have to disclose it? Does non flying training positions show up on PRIA too?

Thank you

SkylineAviation

No, flight ops only for the purpose of PRIA

PB2000

Hello


I had a question in regards to filling out the pilot application.. one of the question asks the applicant if they have failed or resigned from any part 121 or part 135 training.. is that referring to flying job? or non flying job as well? for example if someone failed from gate agent training in part 121 do they have to disclose that in that box? also does applicant have to disclose employer if they worked less than 2 month with them?

Again Thank you


Regards

rickair7777

No, non-flying jobs are not PRIA-reportable.

But if an airline asks about your past employers, they mean ALL past employers, even if you only worked there for one day. They will ask questions about past employment, such as have you ever been fired from a job. Honestly is highly recommended in 121...if you lie and get caught you'll be fired instantly and blacklisted from almost any 121 job, especially major airlines.

ClarenceOver

Please tell me a part 91 job flying traffic watch doesn't count...Even if it does theres literally no way to prove i was there. Would this be a circumstance that would make it impossible for them to find out? Even the employees i flew with have moved on and nobody there knows me except the boss and the boss could care less if i was there or not.

rickair7777

The problem is that PRIA legally obligates you to report all past aviation employers (within the time frame).

It also obligates a potential airline employer to send all past aviation employers a PRIA request.

Past 121/135 employers will have records which they must provide.

Past 91 employers are not required to keep records, but if they DO keep records then they are obligated to return those records. Also non-flying disciplinary records are not part of PRIA and should not be returned, unless a termination occurred in which case the disciplinary records (flying or non-flying) are required to be returned.

So legally you could get in trouble for not disclosing a past aviation employer. You would also get fired for sure if an airline ever found out. An airline employer which sends a PIA request and does not get a response from a 91 employer can still hire you if they want, but it's certainly best to do the leg-work and get valid contact info for all past employers.

outaluckagain

So then, what is the time frame? A person who left training 5 years ago does not have to report PRIA? Regardless whether he decided to leave on his own, or asked to leave?

Not trying to get around PRIA, but if they aren't required to report,then why? Maybe anyway though. I'm not at all sure.

ClarenceOver

I am not going to report a job that i was at for one whole month and was then let go for. I can be fired or thrown out of class because i didn't report i was traffic watch pilot? There wasnt even a checkride. They didnt even ask for my log books or pilots license. They just said fly. I would question whether this would ahve anything to do with pria or me getting picked up by an airline at all. If rickair is right and somehow they did find out i would be shocked.

rickair7777

I know of at least one airline that does exhaustive logbook audits. If they see you logged some flying that doesn't fit with your employment/training history they may ask about it, or google the tail number and see what comes up.

You have to make the call. Bottom-feeder regionals won't go there, but a legacy might.

db1968

How do they do a check on your employment records if the airline you worked with is now out of business? Are employment records of part 121/135 records archived with the feds?