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OldSF3Dude 05-20-2014 08:29 AM

Some excellent research finding that! The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I came into aviation in 1993. FOUR YEARS AFTER THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN. Every airline pilot I talked to in 1993 said that I was nuts for getting into this industry. Most of the ones I knew were furloughed from major airlines and working for peanuts at fly by night regionals. It took them YEARS (if ever) to get back to a comfortable life style. I remember one guy in particular who told me how at his first day of ground school at USAir the CEO came in and welcomed them to the "millionaire machine". They were told they were set for life. A couple years later he was scraping by at a bottom regional and divorced. About six or seven years later he got hired by Northwest, but, the point is that it was a bumpy career. And he was a "lucky" one!

I remember that incident because of the "millionaire machine" lecture, but there are many other similar ones, including mine. I guess the point is to not believe the snake oil salesmen at the airlines or the flight schools. Personally I think that there is a shortage of ATPs that will currently start over as regional first officers (at present pay/benefits/schedules/etc) but there is not an overall disconnect between the number of US pilots and the demand in the US.

Thedude 05-20-2014 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1647249)
Those were the days. If I recall, ERAU had a DIRECT pipeline to NWA. Not mesaba et al, but NWA! Then came the rj's and the rest is history.:mad:

No, Riddle did not have a direct pipeline to NWA.
I was at Riddle then.

Flyby1206 05-20-2014 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 1647470)
No, Riddle did not have a direct pipeline to NWA.
I was at Riddle then.

ERAU had a bridge program with NWA in the early 2000s before the merger with DL.

OldSF3Dude 05-20-2014 10:12 AM

If I remember correctly, 4 years after this article was written you couldn't even get an interview at a commuter airline with less than 2500 hours of flight time!

OldSF3Dude 05-20-2014 11:29 AM

Here's an article I found from 4 years after the one at the beginning of this thread-



February 18, 1993|By Suzanne Wooton | Suzanne Wooton,Staff Writer


The union representing pilots for USAir Group Inc. will ask the airline's working members to reduce the number of hours they fly so that 300 of their furloughed colleagues can return to their jobs.

Pete Gauthier, chairman of USAir's Master Executive Council of the Airline Pilots Association, said yesterday that 5,200 pilots will be polled by mail to determine if they're willing to effectively cut their pay by working less.








If a majority agrees, the union will begin negotiations with USAir. Specific proposals on how many hours would be cut or for how long would not be worked out until then.

The roughly 300 pilots now furloughed otherwise have little chance of returning to USAir or being hired by other financially struggling airlines. After industry losses of more than $8 billion during the past three years, many U.S. airlines have begun laying off workers, cutting flights and reducing their fleets.

USAir pilots are paid by the hour and can work up to 85 hours a month. Pay for airline pilots ranges between $25,000 a year for a junior co-pilot flying smaller aircraft to $150,000 a year for senior captains on larger planes.

"If everyone worked a little less, we all could work," said Kimball Byron, a 37-year-old USAir pilot from Owings Mills who was laid off in January 1991.

Mr. Byron, who served 10 years in the Air Force before joining USAir, was transferred from North Carolina to Baltimore in August 1990. Three months later, his Air Force Reserve unit was activated and sent to Saudi Arabia. He was furloughed by USAir in January while he was still overseas.

"At the time, a few airlines were still hiring," he said. "But by summer, Pan Am was on the ropes and laying off. Everything went downhill from there."

Three carriers -- including Pan Am, Midway and Eastern -- have gone out of business during the past two years. And Continental, Trans World Airlines and America West are protected from creditors under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code.

Since 1990, Arlington-Va. based USAir, the biggest carrier operating at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, has laid off 7,000 employees, cut flights and won wage and benefit concessions from most of its 46,000 workers.

USAir spokesman David Shipley said yesterday there's little likelihood that pilots could be brought back without some special arrangement.

"To bring them back, you have to have growth," Mr. Shipley said. "Right now the airline industry has minimal growth.

"We would certainly look at it but it has to be something that's not going to cost the company any money."

The airline also would have to consider the same deal for other furloughed workers, including flight attendants, he said.

Last year, USAir pilots signed a four-year contract that included temporary pay reductions in exchange for profit sharing and stock options. The concessions are to expire in June, and pilots are due for a raise in September.

OldSF3Dude 05-20-2014 11:55 AM

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OldSF3Dude 05-20-2014 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 1647640)
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Well, that didn't work. I was going to post a little clip from Excalibur where Merlin says, "...Remember it always. For it is the doom of man that they forget."

bcpilot 05-20-2014 10:36 PM

While I understand that we are discussing history here, I came across an article on pprune regarding the shortage about 20 yrs later........

Japan Today

tsquare 05-21-2014 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 1647640)
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Here ya go................



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