Failed in house Riddle check rides
 

Anyone out there go to Riddle and fail a check ride or stage check? If so, did you put on an app that you failed anything? I'm confused about what to put since, if I remember correctly, it was just an "incomplete" until you passed, with the exception of the Commercial ride which was with the FAA. It was the instrument rating check ride I failed, but it was in house and I just had to go back and cover the things I messed up. So i'm not sure if that is considered a "fail" or what. Anyone help?

If it was the practical test for the ticket itself, it's a fail.

It depends on which side of the gray line you want to be on. Riddle has self examining authority and depending on when you were there the FAA required Designated Examiners on certain courses. (CFI or Comm.) If you had failed one of those, you would have been issued a pink slip and no grey line - failure.

All of the other courses, whether certification or not, the only way to fail them would be to not complete the course. IOW, fail the check, re-check and be denied a further re-check.

If you get your FAA records you will not find any evidence of your inst. check or any other checkride. All of your certificates will indicate they were issued on the recommendation of ERAU.

The part I do not know is if there is some sort of back door Riddle participates in the PRIA. I think most employers and non-Riddle types would incorrectly consider it a failure if they had any way to find out, but they would be wrong.

This is a constant debate with military pilot training, all in-house until you do a form-8 check.

It's a training event failure. Whereas the training is part of a 141 program, failing a stage check is little different than failing an "in house" checkride in a charter, corporate, or airline environment. The failure should be reflected in the training records for the school.

The original poster seems to be asking about whether or not to report it, based on how discoverable it may be. Chances are that nobody will ever check the training records at ERAU (a lot of folks will just shake their head and sigh when you say riddle...). It is a training event failure, though, and if someone asks you if you've ever failed a checkride, tell them about your stage check.

A failed checkride isn't necessarily a black mark on your career. A lot of aviators have had to retest at some point in their career. A failed stage check isn't a big deal, and it's best shared as a learning experience. Show what you learned, and how you grew as a result (studied harder, took the stage checks more seriously, etc). The failed stage check then serves to paint you in a positive light.

If you fail an in-house checkride at Riddle it will not show up in your records. As a p141 school your failures won't be released. So you don't have to put that on your resume or anything, but its a good idea to let an employer know.

I failed my private oral and flight, and I saw it as a learning opportunity. And I suggest you see it the same way and not as something that is holding you back.

At an airline, they do ask if you have any stage check failures, along with actual faa "pink slips". They do review your logbook thoroughly (or at least the airline I went to),and will find discrepincies. Most even want stage checks and checkrides tabbed before you get there.

I wouldnt worry too much about it, but you need to be honest when asked a direct question verbally or on an application. Nobody is perfect, but they do expect honesty.

So this is the question, "Have you ever been the subject of an evaluation board or been removed from flight status, downgraded, or failed any portion of flight training either civilian or military?".

So in my case, I should answer yes? I feel like saying yes to this question is saying something worse happened then what actually happened. In my mind, it seems to be asking have you completely failed out. Like a high school kid dropping out or something. Did I have to go back and do it again? Yes. But I passed the second time and completed the course. So I guess that's my hang up on this. I absolutely want to be honest here, so if it's brought up I will talk about it.

If you didn't get a pink slip, put No. Stage checks/pre progs at Riddle are not the same thing as a checkride. They just determine if your ready to move on. It's not a pass/fail only an incomplete if you don't make it through. Then they go back and work on the items you need help on before the real ride.

I was never asked about any stage check failures, nor did I tab them, only checkrides.