ILS vs. ILS or LOC approaches....???
02-02-2007, 12:23 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Texandrvr
The exercise is to try and drill into you that you should always brief the loc backup and hack the clock at the FAF if timing is available.
02-02-2007, 02:11 PM
#22
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The AIM states in 5-4-6 paragraph D. That indeed the name of the instrument approach as published is used to identify the approach. It also says that the controller MUST advise the aircraft at the time an approach clearance is given of an inoperative or unusable approach aid.
So if the approach name is ILS 17 but the glideslope is inoperative then the clearance must be "Cleared ILS 17 glide slope unusable/out of service". A clearance stating "Cleared for the LOC 17" is inappropriate in this case.
So if the approach name is ILS 17 but the glideslope is inoperative then the clearance must be "Cleared ILS 17 glide slope unusable/out of service". A clearance stating "Cleared for the LOC 17" is inappropriate in this case.
02-02-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Texandrvr
However if you are in the habit of not briefing the LOC, then are you hacking the clock at the FAF? Or checking the gs crossing alt?
That's how we did it in the Army too. I can't tell you the number of times I forgot to hack the clock in the sim going through flight school, and my IP failed the GS...been there!
03-20-2007, 08:16 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Texandrvr
If there are any companies out there with procedures like this I'd like to know what their procedure is for making sure that you don't turn early on the MAP.
On the other note. When you lose your GS you should go missed then come back around and start your time at you FAF and shoot it as a LOC if it will let you.
Some approaches have ILS and not a LOC because on a LOC you shoot down to your MDA as fast as possible where that might put you in a tree where the ILS might fly you over it.
03-28-2007, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mistarose
I think that if it says ILS or LOC, you may fly either approach; however, if it just says ILS, you may not fly a localizer approach unless the ILS is OTS. On an ILS approach, if the glideslope fails - you should probably go missed.
Thats just a quick answer w/out much thought. Good Q.
Thats just a quick answer w/out much thought. Good Q.
05-18-2007, 03:19 PM
#30
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Makes sense to me
I have learned from Day 1 of military instrument training, the 6 T's.
T - Time
T - Turn
T - Throttles/Torque
T - Twist
T - Track
T - Talk
It established the habit pattern early and can be consistent in any platform.
T - Time
T - Turn
T - Throttles/Torque
T - Twist
T - Track
T - Talk
It established the habit pattern early and can be consistent in any platform.
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