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questions 01-16-2016 05:12 PM

Resigned During Training
 
I recently left a regional during training after becoming uncomfortable with my job security moving forward as the company is having issues. This is my first 121 gig and I made the wrong choice going to that carrier and felt stuck, but I didn't want to finish my training and just quit to leave them to foot the bill for a type rating. I went through ground school and passed my systems oral and then put in my resignation letter before sims. I'm assuming my month of employment there isn't PRIA reportable since I never took any official pass/fail checkrides and the training was AQP?

I am looking at applying to a different regional but now am wondering how me resigning in training is going to look? I know the market is hot for pilots right now but do you think that will become an issue down the road?

rickair7777 01-16-2016 06:06 PM

It almost certainly is PRIA report-able. Don't lie about having resigned from training, if caught that will be huge problem.

This is not too big an issue with regionals...I know SKW will probably not hire you until you successfully complete 121 elsewhere but I'm sure others will.

The issue is that everybody who fails training has some excuse or resigned in lieu of termination...so you're in a bit of a grey area in that they don't really know exactly what happened and they won't fully trust an applicant's honesty in this situation (since some folks will lie and try to hide the true circumstances). You're lumped in with the "questionable" crowd for the time being.

Unfortunately you'll probably have disclose and explain this with major airlines and they will not be as forgiving as regionals. You need to keep a clean record going forward, don't fail anything, and don't make any more spontaneous ill-advised career moves.

This career is a like a game of chess...every move has to be thought out and followed through on. Airlines like commitment and stability.

questions 01-18-2016 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2048726)
It almost certainly is PRIA report-able. Don't lie about having resigned from training, if caught that will be huge problem.

This is not too big an issue with regionals...I know SKW will probably not hire you until you successfully complete 121 elsewhere but I'm sure others will.

The issue is that everybody who fails training has some excuse or resigned in lieu of termination...so you're in a bit of a grey area in that they don't really know exactly what happened and they won't fully trust an applicant's honesty in this situation (since some folks will lie and try to hide the true circumstances). You're lumped in with the "questionable" crowd for the time being.

Unfortunately you'll probably have disclose and explain this with major airlines and they will not be as forgiving as regionals. You need to keep a clean record going forward, don't fail anything, and don't make any more spontaneous ill-advised career moves.

This career is a like a game of chess...every move has to be thought out and followed through on. Airlines like commitment and stability.

How is it PRIA Reportable? I wouldn't lie about having to resign. I just don't see how there would be any records to report. I guess I could request my own PRIA and see what's there but I just don't believe that anything would show up from that. Technically I never worked there as a pilot.

dsmith3631 01-18-2016 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by questions (Post 2050122)
How is it PRIA Reportable?

You said you passed your oral. That is an FAA jeopardy event and definitely must be in a PRIA. You were also in a 121 Initial training program, so any result (pass, failure, or withdrawal) is also reportable.

questions 01-18-2016 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by dsmith3631 (Post 2050172)
You said you passed your oral. That is an FAA jeopardy event and definitely must be in a PRIA. You were also in a 121 Initial training program, so any result (pass, failure, or withdrawal) is also reportable.


The program is AQP though. So it's non jeopardy since it's in house. Who would be the best to contact about this who has concrete knowledge of the rules?

viper548 01-18-2016 06:17 PM

I'm not sure how many interviewers are going to believe your story. You should contact one of the interview consulting firms to discuss this. You probably won't have a problem getting on at a different regional. This could be an issue when you get an interview at a Major though.

Taylor814ce 01-18-2016 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by viper548 (Post 2050182)
I'm not sure how many interviewers are going to believe your story. You should contact one of the interview consulting firms to discuss this. You probably won't have a problem getting on at a different regional. This could be an issue when you get an interview at a Major though.

Hi,

Honest question.

So one incomplete(not failure) training in 1st regional can result in difficulty getting hired on at Major? Even if that person has good/clean record from 2nd and 3rd regional?

Thanks

viper548 01-18-2016 09:36 PM

I don't think an incomplete training event followed by a successful training at another airline is a problem. I see the problem being the story he stated SOUNDS like a lie. I'm not saying it is, just saying it doesn't make much sense to leave a job in the middle of training without having another job lined up. If he left airline A to go to airline B, that makes sense. If he left because he had a family/personal issue come up, that makes sense. That's why I recommend talking to an interview consultant.

rickair7777 01-19-2016 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by questions (Post 2050178)
The program is AQP though. So it's non jeopardy since it's in house. Who would be the best to contact about this who has concrete knowledge of the rules?

I think you're confusing part 61 pink slips with 121 training programs...

AQP or not...

1. EMPLOYMENT at an airline is PRIA report-able.
2. PARTICIPATING in training under an airline's operating certificate is report-able. Completion, failure, or withdrawal is report-able. So they're going to know how it ended.
3. Certain individual events within the training program are report-able (your jeopardy events). If you didn't get as far as the ground school test you probably won't have any of these items.

Sounds like you're trying to talk your way out of disclosing the event. If you lie and get caught your 121 career is over...your PRIA reporting history will then include being fired by an airline for lying about your background.

Sliceback 01-19-2016 09:10 AM

I choose unemployment over staying at a 121 job. Can I hide that? Or will it be reported?

That's how the story comes across.

Either you did, or didn't, do due diligence before taking the job. It's either or.
The reason you gave for quitting seems suspicious or weak.

We're just reading what's posted. It seems to indicate poor reasoning or immaturity. Either, or both, will take time to rectify with future solid resume performance.

If you're caught lying on your resume/app you're DOA. As it should be.


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