Has anyone squeaked in w/o a 4yr degree?
11-30-2016, 05:41 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by AuzCap
Don't be discouraged if you don't have the four year degree. I was hired 30+ years ago by United without the degree. I had two years of college. It was very competitive back then. Nobody had hired since 1979. I didn't think I had a chance.... Everyone had a 4 yr degree or better. Way more experience than I did... etc... What's important to United is your work history, work ethic, and your ability to get along with those you will be working with. I submitted my application on a whim. Never thought I would be hired... Yet here I am, a senior 777 Captain years later. Do it. And good luck.
11-30-2016, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SeamusTheHound
So was the airline on strike when you were hired?
11-30-2016, 06:34 PM
#25
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Article in AOPA states, "more than 95 percent of the pilots hired have at least a four-year college degree." https://www.aopa.org/training-and-sa...ation-colleges
However, the author doesn't show a reference for that data. I have heard numbers tossed around for the past 30 years showing closer to 80% major airline pilots with Bachelors degree or higher, 15% Associates degree and 5% High school/GED diploma. In any case, a college degree undoubtedly puts you in the preferred stack of resumes.
I would certainly recommend at a minimum going for a two year associates degree. There are so many schools that award college credits for pilot licenses, aircraft mechanic ratings and military schools. The effort to take a few general education courses would be minimal but the value of being a "college graduate" would potentially provide big dividends!
However, the author doesn't show a reference for that data. I have heard numbers tossed around for the past 30 years showing closer to 80% major airline pilots with Bachelors degree or higher, 15% Associates degree and 5% High school/GED diploma. In any case, a college degree undoubtedly puts you in the preferred stack of resumes.
I would certainly recommend at a minimum going for a two year associates degree. There are so many schools that award college credits for pilot licenses, aircraft mechanic ratings and military schools. The effort to take a few general education courses would be minimal but the value of being a "college graduate" would potentially provide big dividends!
Last edited by 155mm; 11-30-2016 at 06:50 PM.
11-30-2016, 09:16 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by svergin
Considering he says he was hired because of his "work ethic" that means taking a job that belongs to someone else, then yes he's a scab.
I don't know who you are, but you are obviously very ignorant of the pilots strike at United in 1985. When I mentioned I was a March '85 hire, if you knew your ALPA history, you would know I that anyone hired prior to May 17 1985 is a 570. Not a scab. Do you even know what a 570 pilot is at United?? Probably not... Suggest you do some research on the United pilots strike before you accuse someone who walked the line on strike for ALPA a scab.
And to the other guy... Yes, I did earn my "Battle Star" the hard way...
12-01-2016, 02:16 AM
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Just a slight thread drift. We know where the 570 stood. They took some hits for their refusal to cross the picket line. The 539, we're not so sure where they stood. The word scab speaks for itself. Back to the discussion.
I know of a couple here without a four year degree. They are fantastic guys, excellent pilots, and would be great to share a cockpit with month in and out. The four year degree is a weed out.
I know of a couple here without a four year degree. They are fantastic guys, excellent pilots, and would be great to share a cockpit with month in and out. The four year degree is a weed out.
12-01-2016, 05:03 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by AuzCap
Wow !!! I don't usually post on these forums. All I was trying to do was encourage the author of this thread to pursue a job with United without a four year degree based on my own experience. Now you have called me a scab....
I don't know who you are, but you are obviously very ignorant of the pilots strike at United in 1985. When I mentioned I was a March '85 hire, if you knew your ALPA history, you would know I that anyone hired prior to May 17 1985 is a 570. Not a scab. Do you even know what a 570 pilot is at United?? Probably not... Suggest you do some research on the United pilots strike before you accuse someone who walked the line on strike for ALPA a scab.
And to the other guy... Yes, I did earn my "Battle Star" the hard way...
I don't know who you are, but you are obviously very ignorant of the pilots strike at United in 1985. When I mentioned I was a March '85 hire, if you knew your ALPA history, you would know I that anyone hired prior to May 17 1985 is a 570. Not a scab. Do you even know what a 570 pilot is at United?? Probably not... Suggest you do some research on the United pilots strike before you accuse someone who walked the line on strike for ALPA a scab.
And to the other guy... Yes, I did earn my "Battle Star" the hard way...
Last edited by krudawg; 12-01-2016 at 05:28 AM. Reason: spelling
12-01-2016, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
People throw the term scab around anytime they don't agree with a poster. They have no idea what it is like to put their job on the line and ACTUALLY take part in a picket line. Going on strike is a lot like your first time in combat - nobody really knows how brave they are until that first bullet comes wizzing by your head. Lots of bravado leading up to our strike in 1985 and as it turned out, even leaders of our Union crossed the picket like! I'm with the Class of 800 hired in 1986 and never had to face the decision you faced. Thank you for standing firm and not crossing the line. I salute you sir!
12-02-2016, 05:19 AM
#30
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I gotta say I can't stand that ALPA uses the term "Battle Star". It's overly dramatic at a minimum and disrespectful to actual soldiers who had enemy soldiers trying to kill them. Frickin ALPO and their lame union rah rah crap! Did you fix bayonets and "charge" ALPO?
I give respect to guys who fought management for better pay and work rules. While it may bold and gut wrenching to strike and suffer through loss of pay and maybe even a shutdown of the company, a "battle" it isn't. Worst case scenario you look for a new job. Nobodies life was at risk.
I give respect to guys who fought management for better pay and work rules. While it may bold and gut wrenching to strike and suffer through loss of pay and maybe even a shutdown of the company, a "battle" it isn't. Worst case scenario you look for a new job. Nobodies life was at risk.
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