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Old 03-07-2017, 10:43 AM
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Now you know the REAL reason for the ABX buyout offer. He knew for awhile that ATI would be getting all the new frames. Amazon probably told Hete to only give the frames to ATI. It seems now that ABX's only hope is to win single carrier with ATI and force a merger.
Single carrier is a Hail Mary. If it doesn't go thru I suspect open flying won't make it to the junior folks.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:59 AM
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Another Bumpkinville move. First, I think his characterization is erroneous to say that "the ATI Pilots did not support the strike." That is not ALPA's official position, and several ATI Pilots stood with the ABX pilots. Unnecessarily framing it that way creates unnecessary drama. Second, his comments make it sound like this was a decision by the parent company, when in fact it is a decision by the client, who can hire any airline it wants to fly its dry-leased planes. A statement like that is unhelpful to ATSG's position with regard to the single transportation system issue in which ATSG is currently engaged. Third, business is business and Never Say Never. The ABX Pilots continue to do a stellar job flying the flights assigned to them, including numerous substitution flights when ATI's equipment breaks. Since going back to work, they've done this reliably with no drama. They are an unquestionably-talented pilot group, and if Atlas can't staff its flights, or if Amazon somehow secures even more frames quickly, they provide a ready resource to permit ATSG to take on more work. Time heals a lot of wounds, particularly in business, and necessity drives a lot of buried hatchets. Whacking the bees nest like that is just stupid. It's like the guy hired Donald Trump as his adviser on how to make public statements. Finally, how dare he speak on behalf of his client. Amazon may have said that the next three frames through conversion, which is all that is currently contracted for, should be flown by ATI, but for him to morph that into, arguably, "all future frames" is just stupid. He's taking an option away from his own customer by making a statement like that. If he spoke at all, he should just have said the client decided that the next three frames should be flown by ATI, and leave it at that. Smart corporate leaders act in a forward thinking, positive way in public, regardless of whether they are throwing china across the room in private.

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Old 03-07-2017, 12:45 PM
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You must be new here. Hete has always hated the "scum sucking scorpions".
True - I was unaware of this before I came to ABX, and I tried not to walk in completely blind. Had I known, I think I would have stayed away. As it is, ABX is still an improvement over where I was. Plus I'm getting some of that magical 121 time that everyone seems to value so much. So I've got that going for me, which is nice. I was just hoping not to be the subject of scorn, derision, and deliberate mischaracterization; Hete's description of the strike during the call was "a minor dispute over scheduling".
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Old 03-07-2017, 12:54 PM
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Whacking the bees nest like that is just stupid. It's like the guy hired Donald Trump as his adviser on how to make public statements.

Smart corporate leaders act in a forward thinking, positive way in public, regardless of whether they are throwing china across the room in private.
That's what makes me think this is more personal than just business, and why it really concerns me. Business problems you can fix. Personal vendettas do not just go away.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:27 PM
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I'm thinking JH never really got over the generous surprise he received at his residence two bargaining sessions ago...

It was quite the "stink" for some time!
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:27 PM
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Relax boys! Hete got his panties in a wad. Reality will kick in very shortly.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:44 PM
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That's what makes me think this is more personal than just business, and why it really concerns me. Business problems you can fix. Personal vendettas do not just go away.
There is NO love lost between Hete and the ABX pilots. Hete has had feces put in his mailbox and his family threatened to the extent that they had to move out of town and left Joe to hold down the fort himself.

If he didn't NEED the ABX pilots to keep ATSG profitable, he'd gladly thrown them under the bus, then back over them and do it again.
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Old 03-07-2017, 01:47 PM
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I'm thinking JH never really got over the generous surprise he received at his residence two bargaining sessions ago...

It was quite the "stink" for some time!
I liked the Sophomoric Sticker Co. stickers everywhere.
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:00 PM
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The intent of this thread was not the words of Mr. Hete but to highlight the actions of the group at ATI- The willingness to cross picket lines in an attempt to achieve gains rather than going through the hard work and discipline of negotiation to achieve contract goals. What ATI did undermined many other pilot groups.
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:09 PM
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Midway you made your point. Hete loves guys who cross picket lines. It's a resume builder. We have two examples currently at ATSG. Honor is a foreign concept with our management...steal a pension if you can. Remember the famous words of a former ABX pres: "it's not a lie, if you know how to choose the proper words!"
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